Fuel Efficient Cars (was Oil Economics)

From: BillK (bill@wkidston.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Feb 05 2003 - 12:12:30 MST

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    Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:47:47 Kai Becker wrote:
    >
    > No problem. Take a look at VW Lupo, Daimler's Smart, Nissan Micra,
    > etc. :-) All of them use about 3-4 l unleaded / 100 km.
    >

    This subject deserves a bit more consideration, IMHO.
    Remember, these cars that are common in Europe are not available in USA.
    And what is all this litres and kilometres stuff?
    Speak American please, if you want them to understand. ;-)

    1 US gallon = 3.7854 litres or 0.8327 UK gallon.
    1 Litre = 0.2642 US Gallon
    1 UK gallon = 1.20095 US Gallons
    1 Kilometre = 0.6214 Statute Miles

    As Kia said, in Europe there are many small cars generally available
    that can average around 50 miles per UK gallon and can do 100 miles per
    hour top speed.

    These cars do not use much exotic technology. They are small and light
    in weight and have small (around 1000cc) petrol engines with
    computerised engine management systems. (There are many
    hybrid/diesel/alternative fuels being developed but let's stick to the
    normal 4-stroke IC engines for this discussion).

    In UK petrol costs around 0.77p / litre.
    Assuming 1.65 USD = 1 UKP makes this around 4.81 USD per US gallon. So
    Europeans have a very big incentive to run smaller cars.
    In USA petrol is about one third the price, so Americans have little
    interest in fuel efficient cars at present.

    Now, what is available in USA?
    In USA compact cars and subcompact cars refer to their size overall, not
    to their engine size. So a new VW Beetle with a diesel 1.9 litre engine
    is still called a subcompact car. (This diesel Beetle will average about
    45 mpg, but I'm only looking at standard petrol engine cars).

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ gives the facts and figures.

    This tells us that there are NO standard petrol engine cars available in
    USA that will average 50 mpg.
    If we drop the average to over 40 mpg, you still get NO standard petrol
    engine cars available in USA. You have to go to hybrid or diesel engines
    to achieve this figure.

    So Americans just don't have the option to buy 50mpg/100mph cars.
    Telling Americans that they should buy our European small cars is a
    waste of breath if they have no dealers selling them. And US dealers
    are not selling them because subcompact cars have very poor sales
    figures and little interest from the general public.

    From the US point of view there are many disadvantages to small cars, of
    course.

    More people die in small cars than in big cars. (Not by being crushed by
    SUVs as you might think, but by driving into solid objects). The more
    crushable metal surrounding you, the safer you will be. So in USA,
    people in SUVs will tend to live longer.

    Small engines mean a different style of driving. You tend not to burn
    rubber between traffic lights. A small car can cruise at 80 mph on the
    freeway, but it will take some 10-20 seconds longer to reach that speed
    from a standing start. So in USA, you have to get rid of the 'Dukes of
    Hazard' attitude before they will even think about a small car.

    Small cars tend to be noisier than big luxury cars. Thick soundproofing
    and thick carpets add weight, which small cars don't like. That said, in
    normal use, it isn't a problem. Especially if you have your boombox
    blasting out heavy metal rock music.

    Small cars have no room for a gun rack. So, obviously they are out of
    the question for middle America. :-)

    To sum up, even if petrol prices in USA double or triple, it will take
    years before the American public will want small cars and dealers will
    be able to provide them.

    Drive carefully, BillK

    Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:47:47 Kai Becker wrote:
    >
    > No problem. Take a look at VW Lupo, Daimler's Smart, Nissan Micra,
    > etc. :-) All of them use about 3-4 l unleaded / 100 km.
    >

    This subject deserves a bit more consideration, IMHO.
    Remember, these cars that are common in Europe are not available in USA.
    And what is all this litres and kilometres stuff?
    Speak American please, if you want them to understand. ;-)

    1 US gallon = 3.7854 litres or 0.8327 UK gallon.
    1 Litre = 0.2642 US Gallon
    1 UK gallon = 1.20095 US Gallons
    1 Kilometre = 0.6214 Statute Miles

    As Kia said, in Europe there are many small cars generally available
    that can average around 50 miles per UK gallon and can do 100 miles per
    hour.

    These cars do not use much exotic technology. They are small and light
    in weight and have small (around 1000cc) petrol engines with
    computerised engine management systems. (There are many
    hybrid/diesel/alternative fuels being developed but let's stick to the
    normal 4-stroke IC engines for this discussion).

    In UK petrol costs around 0.77p / litre.
    Assume 1.65 USD = 1 UKP makes this around 4.81 USD per US gallon. So
    Europeans have a very big incentive to run smaller cars.
    In USA petrol is about one third the price, so Americans have little
    interest in fuel efficient cars at present.

    Now, what is available in USA?
    In USA compact cars and subcompact cars refer to their size overall, not
    to their engine size. So a new VW Beetle with a diesel 1.9 Litre engine
    is still called a subcompact car. (This diesel Beetle will average about
    45 mpg, but I'm only looking at standard petrol engine cars).

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ gives the facts and figures.

    This tells us that there are NO standard petrol engine cars available in
    USA that will average 50 mpg.
    If we drop the average to over 40 mpg, you still get NO standard petrol
    engine cars available in USA. You have to go to hybrid or diesel engines
    to achieve this figure.

    So Americans just don't have the option to buy 50mpg/100mph cars.
    Telling Americans that they should buy our European small cars is a
    waste of breath if they have no dealers selling them. And US dealers
    are not selling them because subcompact cars have very poor sales
    figures and little interest from the general public.

    From the US point of view there are many disadvantages to small cars, of
    course.

    More people die in small cars than in big cars. (Not by being crushed by
    SUVs as you might think, but by driving into solid objects). The more
    crushable metal surrounding you, the safer you will be. So in USA,
    people in SUVs will tend to live longer.

    Small engines mean a different style of driving. You tend not to burn
    rubber between traffic lights. A small car can cruise at 80 mph on the
    freeway, but it will take some 10-20 seconds longer to reach that speed
    from a standing start. So in USA, you have to get rid of the 'Dukes of
    Hazard' attitudes before they will even think about a small car.

    Small cars tend to be noisier than big luxury cars. Thick soundproofing
    and thick carpets add weight, which small cars don't like. That said, in
    normal use, it isn't a problem. Especially if you have your boombox
    blasting out heavy metal rock music.

    Small cars have no room for a gun rack. So, obviously they are out of
    the question for middle America. :-)

    To sum up, even if petrol prices in USA double or triple, it will take
    years before the American public will want small cars and dealers will
    be able to provide them.

    Drive carefully, BillK

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