Re: The mistake of agriculture (was: evolution and diet)

From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 05:48:47 MDT

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    On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 06:19:58AM -0400, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
    >
    > Just because humanity *did in fact* follow the path of agriculture to
    > science, this doesn't mean that humanity *must* have followed this path.
    > Now it seems to me there's a very strong argument that even if a band of
    > hunter-gatherers invents literacy and some kind of social process with
    > Bayes-structure (science is one example), agriculture would soon follow
    > since it seems like a very obvious technology.

    I wonder how obvious agriculture really is. Diamond makes a good
    case that it is not likely to start outside certain very special
    regions due to the presence of useful species (suggesting that had
    the climate or geography been a bit different we might still be
    stuck in the caves), and even there it took plenty of time to
    happen.

    Let's imagine a forest dwelling HG tribe that have invented
    writing; they use specially prepared banana leaves and a plant
    based ink. What use is this writing? HG tribes are small and
    everybody is more or less in constant touch, so there is no need
    for internal memos. The shaman might benefit by noting down the
    sacred stories to give to his successor, but is that benefit
    larger than the effort to prepare the leaves and ink? And would
    the tribe benefit much from it in competition with other tribes?
    It does not seem like a cruicial thing in this kind of simple
    society. A genius could invent mathematics, but without
    significant trade, cattle herds or other applications it would
    just be a neat pastime easily forgotten the next lean time.

    To me it seems that there are certain technologies that are
    possible to invent (and may actually be invented from time to
    time) but given the current socioecological situation they will
    not be selected for (writing in a HG society, steam engines in
    classical times). Other technologies have strong selection effects
    (using flint for tools, agriculture) and will open up new
    possibilities. These possibilities are sometimes taken, and create
    new socioecological situations where technologies that previously
    were of little use become far more useful.

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