Re: The mistake of agriculture (was: evolution and diet)

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 04:19:58 MDT

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    Anders Sandberg wrote:
    > Jared Diamond:
    >
    >>"Archaeologists studying the rise of farming have reconstructed a crucial
    >>stage at which we made the worst mistake in human history. Forced to choose
    >>between limiting population or trying to increase food production, we chose
    >>the latter and ended up with starvation, warfare, and tyranny."
    >
    > It also set us on the path towards culture, superhuman intelligence and
    > the stars. While I am no fan of technological determinism, to some
    > extent the "choice" of farming leads to a competitive situation of
    > expanding population, brainpower and civilization that rewards expanding
    > our ecological niche and likely transforming our species.

    Just because humanity *did in fact* follow the path of agriculture to
    science, this doesn't mean that humanity *must* have followed this path.
    Now it seems to me there's a very strong argument that even if a band of
    hunter-gatherers invents literacy and some kind of social process with
    Bayes-structure (science is one example), agriculture would soon follow
    since it seems like a very obvious technology. Nonetheless, agriculture
    is not really necessary in the sense that hunter-gatherers who were
    somehow absolutely forbidden from developing agriculture might have gotten
    quite a long distance, albeit more slowly, before they finally reached a
    bottleneck where they could go no farther without only a few people
    creating the food that everyone else eats.

    So while agriculture was a mistake that did in fact create powerful
    benefits, we must ask whether those benefits could have been obtained
    without the mistake. In terms of correlations the answer is no; it would
    have been extremely difficult to set up a case where one event happened
    but not the other. Causally the answer may be yes; the mistake may be
    inexorably correlated but not really *necessary*.

    -- 
    Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                          http://singinst.org/
    Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
    


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