Re: Beingness (was: Re: Transgender marriage)

From: Technotranscendence (
Date: Thu Jan 31 2002 - 18:00:59 MST

On Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:04 AM Samantha Atkins wrote:
>> I'm with Spike here. I mean, sure, people can be free to be nude,
>> I'd prefer not to see most people naked. Heck, to be honest, even
>> clothed most people are still ugly.
> A lot of that is conditioning. If you are nude then either the
> situation is sexual or your bathing.

Not actually. If I'm nude, it usually means I'm home and no one else is
here. I generally wear few items of clothing when I'm "home alone.":)
I'm fairly try and in shape, but it's actually just more comfortable for
me that way.

> So if you see someone nude
> you are either intruding on their bath or you evaluate them on
> sexual comeliness almost automatically and using sexual
> aesthetics. This is something that being nude with a variety of
> people for some time tends to mitigate.

Maybe so, but this sounds to me like if I listen to enough bad music,
eventually I'll be able to tune it out. Why not just listen to great
music and forego developing a tuning out skill?

> People's birthday suits
> and the shape of their bodies are just what they are. Yeah
> some of them are a lot more fun to look at at various levels
> than others but after a while any upset at seeing skin goes away.

I'm not upset. Also, I find most people ugly from the neck up and even
their exposed portions, such as hands.

> "Ugly" is a very interesting notion that tends to shift with
> expectations and conditionings.

I'm not sure about that. I can still deal with ugliness. I mean I
don't run in horror when I see someone with an ugly face or whose hands
look like vienna sasauges mashed together or when someone has yellow
teeth with food particles stuck in them. Etc. I just don't
particularly see any point in wanting to see more. And this is not even
going over odors and the like.

Email is great in this fashion. No offense, but I don't have to look at
any of you -- yet we can still exchange ideas.


Daniel Ust

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