Re: Beingness (was: Re: Transgender marriage)

From: Samantha Atkins (
Date: Sat Jan 19 2002 - 05:04:26 MST

Technotranscendence wrote:

> On Friday, January 18, 2002 9:42 PM Amara Graps wrote:
>>>on the most perfect beach weather days. But the last thing one
>>>will see after starting that hike and the first thing one will see at
>>>the other end are countless naked people. That would be fine,
>>>except for the fact that the kinds of people who generally go nude
>>>on the beach are exactly those who you would really prefer not to
>>>see naked. Ever. Not even in ones worst nightmare.
>>Now now Spike. Naturist beaches and resorts are freedom, in an
>>ultimate sense. What better way to see the marvelous variety of
>>shapes and sizes in which the the human body manifests itself?
>>Social roles, economic classes, sex roles reduced or removed,
>>and we can be who we are, simply.
> I'm with Spike here. I mean, sure, people can be free to be nude, but
> I'd prefer not to see most people naked. Heck, to be honest, even
> clothed most people are still ugly.

A lot of that is conditioning. If you are nude then either the
situation is sexual or your bathing. So if you see someone nude
you are either intruding on their bath or you evaluate them on
sexual comeliness almost automatically and using sexual
aesthetics. This is something that being nude with a variety of
people for some time tends to mitigate. People's birthday suits
  and the shape of their bodies are just what they are. Yeah
some of them are a lot more fun to look at at various levels
than others but after a while any upset at seeing skin goes away.

"Ugly" is a very interesting notion that tends to shift with
expectations and conditionings.

- samantha

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