Re: Today's evil Bayesian math problem

From: Hal Finney (hal@finney.org)
Date: Thu Sep 11 2003 - 12:17:40 MDT

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    Eliezer writes:
    > In fact, for any j != k, p(Wj|Wk) == 4/9, provided that the only other
    > information given is as described above.

    That's pretty surprising. In fact, it seems that an even more surprising
    fact is true: the probability of a white chip on every round j is always
    3/8, the same as it is on round 1. And the probability of white chips
    on both of any two different rounds j and k is always 1/6. From this,
    Eliezer's formula follows, as p(Wj|Wk) = p(Wj&Wk)/p(Wk) = 1/6 / 3/8 = 4/9.

    I can prove at least the first statement, that the probability is always
    the same on every round. Suppose on round N there are p white chips and
    q chips total. Then the probability of drawing white on that round is
    p/q.

    Now consider round N+1. If we drew white on round N (which happened with
    probability p/q), the probability of white on this round is (p+1)/(q+1).
    If we drew red on round N (which happened with probability (q-p)/q),
    the probability of white on this round is p/(q+1).

    So the total probability of white on this round is the sum of these two
    values, weighted by their probabilities, or p/q * (p+1)/(q+1)
    + (q-p)/q * p/(q+1).

    = (p^2 + p + qp - p^2) / q(q+1)

    = p(q+1) / q(q+1)

    = p / q

    QED.

    I imagine a more complex proof could show that the probability of white
    on both of any two rounds is constant, and presumably this could be
    generalized to any n rounds. But I don't see how to prove all this
    in a simple way.

    Hal



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