From: Randall Randall (randall@randallsquared.com)
Date: Thu Sep 11 2003 - 12:11:20 MDT
I find it interesting to be on both sides of this debate,
as a free-market anarchist.
On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Michael Dickey wrote:
>> From: Behalf Of Robbie Lindauer
>>> Ok, your libertarian descriptions fit me as well, yet I certainly
>>> wouldn't call myself a 'peacefull anarchist' (how do you propose it
>>> remain 'peacefull' anarchy, btw?)
>>
>> I trust people who own big guns to not f-with other people who own big
>> guns.
>
> Great, so who ever has bigger guns wins out. And why do you call this
> 'peacefull' anarchy exactly? And how is this any better than the
> current post-industrialize west system? Do you not think a local
> warlord pointing a gun at your face to take some of your food you grew
> on your farm is 'alienation of labor'?
Straw man. He said he was for anarchy; your question implies a State
(the local warlord), in a way that suggests you think that is really
what he wants.
Personally, I regard the State as nothing more than very successful
criminals. Therefore, we don't have a perfectly peaceful anarchy as
long as there is anyone performing functions similar to the State
(murder, theft, kidnapping, etc). Nevertheless, I am sure that it's
possible to get closer than we are.
> I don't exactly want to maintain
> an arsenal, can I pay someone else to do it and ensure no one threatens
> me with their aresenal? Isnt that, in a way, what I am all ready doing
> with my taxes?
No, it isn't. If it were, you wouldn't notice them unless they were
actively protecting you right now. In fact, practically everything
you do is altered by the State. Further, you'd be able to stop paying
in exchange for cessation of services. If you did stop, however, you'd
risk being kidnapped, or murdered if you resisted kidnapping very
effectively.
> After all, if someone comes up to me with a gun, I call
> those people I pay, and they are hear to drag off the gun toting nut
> and
> keep him, basically, from f-ing with me.
Have you tried that? :) In practice, what they do is exact revenge on
those who f-ed with you. Once in a while. If they find them. To make
it clearer that protection is not the goal, they make it difficult to
protect yourself, too. Even if they successfully exact revenge upon
your attacker, however, it won't help *you*.
-- Randall Randall <randall@randallsquared.com> "When you advocate any government action, you must first believe that violence is the best answer to the question at hand." -- Allen Thornton
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