Re: Robots r Us

From: Damien Broderick (damienb@unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2003 - 23:32:31 MDT

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    Hmm. I replied to Robert Bardbury's

    >>The interesting suggestion that Brain makes is that the
    >>government should literally give money away.

    >Gee--now there's an astonishing brand-new idea for dealing with robotic
    productivity.
    >Or maybe he read THE SPIKE back in 1997.

    (Now that I've skimmed those url'd pages, I see that he hasn't--although
    his $25,000 suggestion for a guaranteed income exactly matches my own (and
    the late Robert Theobald's).

    Roughly simultaneously, Reason cried out in pain:

    >Narry
    > a mention of the job creation in new industries, just the same old
    zero-sum
    > protectionist nonsense based on the assumption that people are owed
    security
    > and a livelihood with no effort on their part, funded by the wealthy via
    > forced redistribution of wealth. Even the anti-capitalist,
    anti-free-market
    > arguments in this thing are tired and by the numbers, pushing the
    effects of
    > government intervention (no5t labeled as such, of course) in trade and
    > markets as reasons for more government intervention. It's sad, sad,
    sad. And
    > stupid. Massively, massively stupid.

    < coff >

    I'd demur on that `massively, massively stupid', obviously. Reason, I think
    you're jumping the gun. Brain's case is precisely that there *can't* be
    much in the way of `job creation in new industries' for the robotically
    downsized (unless I'm reading that in). I found his suggestions most
    laughable when he tried to give his prescription a `turbo-capitalist' spin:
    selling advertising space on the rear of greenbacks, under public bridges,
    on the Washington Memorial. Pure '50s Pohl&Kornbluth parody. But if his
    remedies are incomplete, that's where people like us need to step in with
    some imagination.

    As for `funded by the wealthy via forced redistribution of wealth', I
    believe Brain is saying that redistribution BACK to consumers of large
    amounts of Danegeld forcibly stripped FROM them by insanely hungry and
    sometimes grossly law-breaking CEOs is more the style of the funding proposal.

    In general terms, here is my own apologia from THE SPIKE:

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    The run up to the Spike will deepen today's dreadful problems, but also
    ease their solution, if we keep our nerve and use our brains.
            A corporation that downsizes its work-force today, in favor of robots, is
    surviving as a beneficiary of the human investment of the past. Its current
    productivity, after all, are the outcome of every erg of accumulated human
    effort that went into creating the economy and technological culture that
    made those robots possible.
            So let's not look at a guaranteed income as a `natural right', like the
    supposed innate rights to freedom of speech and liberty. Rather, it is an
    inheritance, something owed to all the children of a society whose
    ancestors for generations have together built, and purchased through the
    work of their minds and hands, the resource base sustaining today's
    cornucopia.
            Committed to the present structure of society--a prejudice doomed in any
    case, as we have seen, by the on-coming Spike--some people believe that
    most of their fellow humans won't work without an external goad. Others
    agree that incentives are required, but hold that these can spring from
    within, and need not depend upon the threat of hunger and destitution. In
    the short run, this debate can be avoided, for a guaranteed income would
    abolish severe poverty more effectively than current schemes that tend to
    act as a disincentive to taking up part-time work.
            And while a guaranteed wage would ensure you the bare necessities, your
    craving for luxuries and a higher standard of living would hardly
    disappear. Few of us now are content merely to earn a subsistence income.
    Those who are--the `shiftless scoundrels' who live their rudimentary life
    of ease on the dole in sunny climes--will continue to do so, but without
    costing society the extra burden of trying to hunt them down and punish
    them for refusing to take the jobs that don't exist.
            What we must hope, as the juggernaut of technological change rolls onward,
    is that material incentives alone really are not more important than other
    driving forces of the human spirit. The artist and the scientist are two
    celebrated instances of a deep human hunger and enthusiasm for creative
    activity, the kind that draws people together while being intensely
    rewarding to the individual. It's very likely, no doubt, that some arduous
    jobs traditionally the domain of depressed and excluded groups would find
    no takers if survival were no longer at stake. In wealthy nations like the
    United States, bordering less well-off countries, a constant influx of
    illegal migrants testifies to the reluctance of citizens with high
    expectations to do the sweaty work.

    ...

            The anthropologist Conrad Arensberg claimed that every successful adaptive
    innovation, social or biological, always has a further effect than the
    immediate and conservative: `the opening of a vast new door, a splendid
    serendipity'. It is impertinent and finally futile to try to anticipate
    serendipity, but it seems fair to assume that the adoption of a general
    right to a share in the inherited productivity of the human race will be
    liberating, more often than not, to the spirit.

    Pre-paid lunch

    Surprisingly, the laissez-faire writer Robert A. Heinlein placed that
    sentiment in the mouth of a utopian judge condemning a reckless rugged
    individualist: `From a social standpoint, your delusion makes you as mad as
    a March Hare.' But it was Heinlein himself, coiner of the libertarian
    slogan TANSTAAFL (`There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch'), who, as
    narrator, offered the most stinging commentary:

            The steel tortoise gave MacKinnon a feeling of Crusoe-like independence.
    It did not occur to him his chattel was the end product of the cumulative
    effort and intelligent co-operation of hundreds of thousands of men, living
    and dead.

    Granted this perspective, how should we arrange our affairs during the
    disruptive decades ahead? The ways in which science and technology were
    (ab)used in the last century powered a catastrophic erosion of
    biodiversity, and in doing so damaged human communities as well. The global
    economy is still felling rain forests, polluting the skies and scything
    through the diversity of species. In the long run, in a world of televised
    fantasy living and virtual reality simulation--let alone the Spike's
    machine intelligence and nanotechnology--such traditional methods will be
    altogether unstable. Should we put an end, for the moment, to conspicuous
    consumption? Yet it is exactly the economy of relentless and often
    trivialized consumption that drives the technologies that will peak in the
    cornucopia of the Spike.

    [etc]
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    Damien Broderick



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