RE: Sol-like system discovered...SETI new directions?

From: Paul Grant (shade999@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Jul 11 2003 - 21:30:36 MDT

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    you :
    This is also my view , that gravity being instantanious gives an
    unbeatable method of information transfer. That is of course depending
    on the propgation speed. Everything I have read thus far states that the
    propogation is istantanious. I do have some serious worries about this
    and will closely watch the results of any experiments that are
    performed.
    The only way I can easily except that the propogation is instananious,
    is that every particle in the universe that exerts gravity. Is entagled
    with every other particle. I can 'kind of' except this, baring in mind
    that all the particles came from the sub-atomic soup that existed pre
    big bang.

     
    I did spend a few brain cycles on a possible experiment utilising the
    apparent ability of cryogenic superconducters to reduce gravity. I didnt
    get very far due to the math and the constant nagging in the back of my
    mind that if we mess around with gravity, we also mess with time and
    have to somehow factor this into the eqautions.
     
    me:
     
    I don't think sub atomic stuff existed pre big bang; I tend to view
    matter from a semantic point of view;
    which is to say, the particles that we observe are defined by their
    relationships to other particles...and
    that what we term matter is a predomiment form of energy because of its
    stability, and the its immediate
    measurability... its a hunch, or barring that being acceptable, a
    theoretical model/construct thats proven to
    be quite useful without containing any (apparent to an educated layman)
    flaws...
     
    In any event, the curvature of space is occurring daily :) So I'm not
    worried (past some great catastrophe
    like messing around with planet orbits or the like) about communication
    using gravity pulses. My current
    research interests (which will be indulged [rigourously] shortly) are
    leaning towards waves and waveguides...
     
    There's some very interesting work being done on the subject, by a
    physicist out of Columbia U., where
    he's working on setting up a computer system to qualify stellar objects
    based on the gravitational pulses
    (for which he's built a particularly sensitive detector).... thats the
    most similar research I've seen, minus the
    speed of gravity propogation (which is largely theoretical at this
    point).
     
    In any event, thats what my money's on :) That, or another really
    interesting piece of research regarding
    coupled photons emitted as part of some quantum event; they're coupled
    because once you observe one,
    the other immediately takes the opposite rotation or somesuch... if you
    had a way of seperating such photons,
    storing them, and then influencing their particular orientation, I
    daresay you would have the beginnings
    of a faster-than-light communication system. the aforementioned effect
    however, was only tested to
    the distance of 3-4 meters or somesuch... you would still have to
    distribute the photons though, between the
    end parties :) and for a really fun extra, the system would be
    untappable (at least at current tech levels).
     
    There's also another really interesting piece of research, out of
    germany I believe... they were beaming
    a source of light through an opaque material.... and they were depending
    on a certain amount (relative to the
    total amount) of light particles to tunnel through the material...
    There's no reason why you couldn't set up
    something similar and just toss out a lot of energy.... checksum and ack
    the data as it arrives... Supposedly
    (since I don't subscribe to any physics journals yet), their work has
    been independantly confirmed...
    They played bach or somesuch over the carrier wave...
     
    As to messing around with time through gravity, like I said, its
    occurring daily :) I'm more worried
    about identifying the particular signal over the noise more than
    anything else :)
     
    omard-out
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     



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