Re: [WAR] amazing new photo history

From: Damien Broderick (damienb@unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Fri Jun 06 2003 - 01:25:42 MDT

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    At 11:22 PM 6/5/03 -0400, someone called Max Plumm, perhaps a nym (google
    knows very little about this entity) wrote:

    > It was Damien who chose to use the phrase
    >"oily omelette" in his harsh response to Spike.

    A sorrowful acknowledgement, in context, that perhaps control of oil
    reserves in the middle east is a legitimate *realpolitik* motive for war on
    Iraq by a high-tech, oil-dependant coalition.

    > I have never read a post of Damien's in which he refers to a Vietnamese
    >Communist "re-education camp omelette", a Castro or Mengistu's "famine
    >omelette", or even a Saddam Hussein's "oily omelette".

    The occasion hasn't arisen.

    But the general point seems to me this: there is a moral asymmetry between
    one's standpoint on

    (a) issues where one's democratic representatives and their affiliates are
    making decisions on one's behalf,

    and (not-a) choices made by people outside one's sphere of influence.

    If your deputy is acting in a way you regard as deplorable, it's up to you
    to speak out. If someone over in the next town or nation is doing so, you
    might take a keen interest, but you generally have a lesser moral
    responsibility to speak out.

    If Australian, British or US decision makers act, allegedly in my behalf,
    it's far more urgent that I take stock of their actions and speak up for or
    against their choices. If someone in Vietnam, where I have no stake or
    control at all, acts abominably, I might speak up as a concerned, distant
    observer, but the moral situation is rather different, I think.

    When Palestinian youths blow up Israelis, I am horrified; when Israeli
    soldiers blow up Palestinians, I am also horrified, perhaps more so, since
    it seems to me, from this great distance, that the power imbalance is in
    the Israelis' favor.

    When I hear that Saddam and his sons and regime tortured and murdered
    people, I am horrified; when I hear that US jails contain a million or more
    prisoners many of them incarcerated for using marijuana and subjected in
    prison to rampant rape and brutality, I am horrified as well. In the
    absence of those *realpolitik* global considerations, I think that friends
    of America should be acting by preference to save the victims in the US
    prisons rather than those in the Iraqi prisons. But we do live in a real
    world, so I admit that to sequester the oil reserves for me and my friends
    and for technological civilization it might, after all, be worth expending
    the lives of the willing and those of the innocent victims. The guilty
    victims can rot, as we all agree. But let's not pretend that this choice
    led to an almost bloodless war. There was plenty of blood.

    Damien Broderick



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