Re: [WAR] amazing new photo history

From: MaxPlumm@aol.com
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 21:22:38 MDT

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    Damien Broderick had replied to me:

    > Had I ever made the extraordinary claim that the hideous Saddam Hussein
    > regime was bloodless, I'd expect to be pulled up short. Why is it so
    > difficult to grasp this?

    To which Harvey Newstrom illuminatingly contributed:

    "It's binary thinking. (Saddam = Evil) = (Bush = Good). If you question
    (Bush = Good) then you must mean that Bush is 100% Evil and
    Saddam is an angel."

    If you had taken a moment to step off the Condescension Express, Mr.
    Newstrom, you might have noticed that I never once mentioned President Bush in my
    original reply to Damien. It was Damien who chose to use the phrase "oily
    omelette" in his harsh response to Spike. He thus turned what one might consider a
    legitimate point (lack of depictions of war dead and casualities in the book)
    into an unnecessary "cheap shot" at the American administration.

     I have never read a post of Damien's in which he refers to a Vietnamese
    Communist "re-education camp omelette", a Castro or Mengistu's "famine omelette",
    or even a Saddam Hussein's "oily omelette". The crude criticism is reserved
    solely for the Bush administration. This is even more appalling when one
    considers that every civilian life lost in Iraq could've been saved had Saddam
    Hussein simply relinquished power by the time of the U.S. imposed deadline.
    Therefore I simply suggested, albeit with heavy sarcasm, that if Damien wishes to
    opine on human tragedy he should also mention at least some of the countless other
    examples of it that don't involve displays of American military might and
    global primacy.

    In fact, I myself mentioned three other examples of such tragedy in addition
    to the Hussein regime in my original post to Damien. So clearly your analysis
    that my thinking consists of Bush=good, arrogant extropians=evil is clearly
    incorrect. If anyone is guilty of oversimplification in this instance, it is
    clearly you.

      "I also noted that the previous note somehow was connected with
    anti-communism and several other binary us vs.
    them worldviews."

    "Strange. It's like some people see reality in black and white, while others
    see whole continuums of grey and colors."

    Since it is apparent you are more than willing to share your ever cogent and
    not the slightest bit pretentious insights with us, Mr. Newstrom, I humbly
    request that you tell me how my "position" as an anti-communist (indeed,
    everyone's favorite at that) is so flawed. Let us, for the sake of this discussion,
    proclaim the "us" to be myself and those like me who appreciate the finer things
    in life such as representative government. And let us call the "them", oh,
    the world's current and former Communist regimes who are responsible for the
    deaths of over 100 million people worldwide since 1918.

    In what sense am I mistaken in preferring a world of American military
    hegemony to one dominated by the Soviets? On a smaller scale, how am I wrong to
    prefer a world in which the South Koreans are governed by democracy and not the
    whims of Kim Jong Il? How is it wrong to wish that the Soviets had not brutually
    crushed the rebellions in East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia in the
    1950s and 60s and allowed freedom to come to those beleaguered people? How is it
    wrong to wish that the Soviet Union had never invaded Afghanistan, inflicting
    a death toll of 1.5 million people on that land, 90 percent of which were
    civilian casualties? How is it wrong to wish that South Vietnam had survived,
    possibly evolving into a full and vibrant democracy, when the Communist
    alternative offers no possibility of that outcome to this very day?

    Ah well, what was I thinking? Such "binary" concerns of life, death,
    opportunity and freedom are surely beneath such a learned and cultivated individual
    such as yourself.

    Forever wary of "Them" and Communists,

    Max Plumm
     



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