From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Sun Jun 15 2003 - 21:29:04 MDT
We seem to have forgotten about the list rules. During recent discussions
about how to "fix" the list, I realized that it isn't broken. We simply
aren't following the rules or keeping the promises we have made when we
subscribed to the list.
Specifically, personal attacks, libelous statements, ad hominem, character
attacks, and insults are already disallowed. We have all promised not to
use these tactics on the list. Even those who believe that one or more of
these tactics should be allowed have promised not to utilize them within
this forum.
Furthermore, we have all agreed not to defend ourselves on-line when
attacked. We have unanimously agreed that in the interest of improving the
list signal-to-noise ratio that we will divert all personal defenses offlist
to e_shaun@extropy.org for an off-line resolution. Even if someone tries to
start a personal battle, it should end right there with the response going
off-line.
Lastly, even if the participants of the battle insist on fighting in public,
the rest of us do not need to put up with it. It only takes a single
request to e_shaun@extropy.org to request that the list rules to be
enforced. If nobody makes a complaint, it implies that we unanimously want
the personal attacks to be allowed.
I have reviewed the list rules again and intend to start obeying them again.
I will stop responding to baseless accusations or trying to defend myself,
but will merely send a request to e_shaun@extropy.org to enforce the
existing list rules. This is what the list rules require. This is what we
have all promised to do. I intend to start keeping my promise to obey the
list rules. I encourage others to do the same.
-- Harvey Newstrom, CISM, CISSP, IAM, IBMCP, GSEC Certified InfoSec Manager, Certified IS Security Pro, NSA-certified InfoSec Assessor, IBM-certified Security Consultant, SANS-cert GSEC <HarveyNewstrom.com> <Newstaff.com> ______________________________________________________________________ L I S T R U L E S We have a few rules about how you interact with the list. Your continued subscription indicates your acceptance of these rules. We do not like rules for their own sake. The List rules are just those we believe will keep the level of discussion high and polite. PERSONAL ATTACKS: We do not allow personal attacks or libelous statements. Those violating this rule may be removed from the List without notice. Those guilty of an ad hominem attack (i.e.: attacking the character of a poster rather than combating the argument the poster proffers) will be subject to a private warning on a first offense and a temporary or permanent ban on each subsequent offense. Extropy Institute's Executive Team will determine the duration of said ban. If someone attacks your character, insults you, or otherwise violates the above rule, do NOT retaliate in like manner. Instead, send us a complaint (to e_shaun@extropy.org) and take the matter off-list. COPYRIGHT: It is a violation of our Rules and United States law to copy material from copyrighted sources and post them to the List. Short excerpts and summaries are fine. Repeated violators of this rule may be unsubscribed without notice. ADVERTISING: It is against our rules to advertise or solicit business without our permission. Many people online do not want to see solicitations and sales messages when they are trying to read a high-density discussion list. Certain kinds of solicitation may be permitted, but our permission must first be obtained. Violation of this rule may result in termination of your subscription. [Personal professional announcements or discussion of personal professional activities are appropriate to the list, if they generally relate to the over-all subject matter discussed there.] This is a private forum. We reserve the right to unsubscribe anyone at any time. Thank you for your cooperation in making the Extropians List a stimulating and enjoyable forum.
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