RE: ENERGY: Singularity on hold?

From: Gary Miller (garymiller@starband.net)
Date: Sat Jun 14 2003 - 13:34:52 MDT

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    > You have to use a significant fraction of the rangeland in the U.S.
    southwest, but if my numbers are correct the economics seem *very*
    favorable, so the conversion from rangeland to solar ponds might take
    place very quickly. The price of steak may go up (as there is less
    rangeland on which to graze cattle), but I think I come out ahead -- I
    fill up my gas tank much more frequently than I eat steak.

     
    Gary,
     
    Could these solar ponds be multipurpose say for Aquaculture (fish
    farms). We are being told that fishing yields are way down.
     
    If this acreage could be architected to perform a dual purpose of food
    production and energy production it could be made even more
    cost effective besides fish is healthier than steak anyway.
     

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    I am a big fan of methane-based energy and look favorably on biomass
    too. Are these solar ponds sealed from the environment with lexan
    plastic, which would keep out dust, fungus, rain, grass, bird droppings,
    and insects? How much methane, in cubic feet could these ponds produce?
    Enough to power a 100 million car fleet? Could the methane be converted
    to methanol or should vehicles be run on CNG? Would such a technology be
    "blown out of the saddle" with competition from Alaskan natural gas, or
    the development of methane hydrates from clathrate oceanic sources?

    Mitch

    Robert Bradbury stated:
    <<Actually there is a solution very close to that. Creating methane in
    solar ponds using engineered bacteria, put into the existing pipeline
    system, sent to retooled refineries that convert it into propane or
    octane, perhaps using some power from spike's windmills. Converting
    short
    chain hydrocarbons into longer chain hydrocarbons I don't believe is
    particularly difficult (though I'm not a chemist). The hard part
    (currently) is having a sufficient quantity of the short chain
    hydrocarbons (which are currently all being pumped out of the ground
    rather than manufactured above ground).

    You have to use a significant fraction of the rangeland in the U.S.
    southwest, but if my numbers are correct the economics seem *very*
    favorable, so the conversion from rangeland to solar ponds might take
    place very quickly. The price of steak may go up (as there is less
    rangeland on which to graze cattle), but I think I come out ahead -- I
    fill up my gas tank much more frequently than I eat steak.

    Robert>>





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