RE: "liberal media"

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Tue May 13 2003 - 23:23:04 MDT

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    Harvey writes

    > > Above, I thought that this was simply a bad
    > > joke. But it appears that the writer is
    > > serious. Of all the hare-brained ways to
    > > characterize liberals and conservatives
    > > [conservatives don't like different things,
    > > liberals do], this takes the cake.
    >
    > What's the problem? Haven't you people ever
    > looked these terms up in the dictionary before?
    > Sheesh!

    Well, no :-) But I've always known what here
    in the U.S. since at least 1960 lower-case
    "conservative" and "liberal" meant politically.
    But the standard, non-political usage of the
    terms is, as Damien supplied

      liberal
           adj 1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad
                  political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a
                  liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's
                  opinions" [syn: {broad}, {tolerant}]

      conservative
           adj 1: resistant to change [ant: {liberal}]

    And we know how they came to be applied to the U.S.
    left and right respectively. The whole direction
    of social change from 1776 through fairly modern
    times had been leftward (and left and right, as
    you also know, obtained from the seating arrangements
    in the House of Commons). As far back as the
    revolutionary war, "Tory" meant someone who supported
    the king. That indeed was a *conservative* position,
    in the literal sense.

    Today, how could (for example) favoring reparations,
    or advocating a minimum wage, possibly be "liberal",
    and freedom to own guns or advocating the repeal of
    most taxation, possibly be "non-liberal" (in the
    dictionary sense)?

    > And when you've finally convinced yourself that you
    > really understand what these English words mean,
    > decide if you are at heart a "conservative" or a
    > "liberal".

    There is no question but that all extropians and many
    others are "liberal" by the dictionary definition,
    when the nonpolitical meaning is meant. Yet also,
    there is no question that on many political issues,
    a great many extropians and others greatly in favor
    of novel ideas are politically "conservative".

    I'm in favor of a lot of new and highly imaginative
    projects, concerns, and ideas, such as cryonics, space
    colonization, universe engulfing, AI development and
    so on. But today, a political liberal is defined
    primarily as leaning towards socialism, towards
    tolerance in social relations, a meeker stance in
    in international affairs, regulation of the free
    market, and relative lenience towards prison inmates.
    Except for tolerance in social relationships (which
    it so happens I also favor), none of the rest of these
    have anything to do with the dictionary definition of
    "liberal".

    Lee

    P.S. Nice shot there about Democrats getting elected
    and Republicans being appointed ;-) I suppose that
    if the U.S. Supreme Court hadn't stepped in---and the
    Florida Supreme Court had awarded the election to
    Gore---we on the right would be making the same kind
    of wisecracks about Democrats.



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