From: natashavita@earthlink.net
Date: Wed Jan 08 2003 - 10:11:01 MST
From: Brett Paatsch
>Emyln wrote:
>>From what I understand, Natasha doesn't mean that Exi has no
>>principles, no positions, in a political climate. It's got a function as
>>a kind of lobby group, after all.
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True.
>>Clearly ExI has principles (at least of a sort) - The Extropian
Principles.<<
>Take this quote from the front page:<
>"Extropianism is a transhumanist philosophy. The Extropian
Principles define a specific version or "brand" of transhumanist
thinking. Like humanists, transhumanists favor (sic) reason,
progress, and values centred on our well being rather than on an
external religious authority."<
>Does ExI have a position as a lobby group?<
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Not currently.
>>I interpreted Natasha's statements as saying in particular that Exi
>>has no political affiliations. eg: it has no association with any formal
>>Libertarian groups.
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Borader please! "eg: it has no association with any formal *political*
groups." Remember, there are many extropians and members of ExI who are
not libertarian. Hello.
>I understand that to be the case too, but there are at least two "forms"
of politics. The one that most people think of may be the Democrats
vs Republicans (in the US).<
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A wee bit broader please. Greens are growing more and more each year.
Greens and Libertarians are substantial secondary political groups.
>But my point is that whenever people gather especially when decisions
need to be made about priorities and allocating resources there is
politics.<
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Politics of this sort are social politics and more based on ideological
discussions with some philosophy and religion tossed in, don't you think?
I mean, if politics, formally is "the art or science of government" and
also "the sympathies of a person" and even "the total complex of relations
between people living in society". (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)
>>Further, even though many Extropians might be
>>libertarian, or social democrat, or conservative, these leanings are
>>orthogonal to being Extropian, and Exi in turn has no bias in the
>>political dimension, as it does not involve itself in such.
>By the political dimension I'm reading its neither for or against
particular political parties that specifically seek government such
as the Democracts and Republicans. I don't think it should by
in that sort of politic either.<
>>This doesn't mean that it couldn't talk about having political
>>opponents, couldn't lobby political groups, or otherwise engage in
>>the political landscape in representing Extropy. It's just that it is
>>not a political party in and of itself, and doesn't desire to be.
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Yes.
>Having gone through Natasha's Pro-Act presentation, I can now
see that some thought has been given to competitors in the meme-
scape.<
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This was my objective. But, it was a lot of thought -:)
>I still thing that the questions I raised run orthogonal to these
points though.<
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Just like orthogonal's etymology, there are many cross-sections.
>>But I could be wrong. :-)<<
>Just don't go thinking you've got an exclusive on that terrain :-)<
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Excuse me, can we share please? I've earned some of that terrain :-)
Natasha
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