From: Randy Smith (
Date: Wed Oct 17 2001 - 19:20:11 MDT

    From: Miriam English <>
Subject: Re: the waves of immigration that now plague this nation
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:50:03 +1000

At 07:16 AM 18/10/2001, Randy Smith wrote:
        From: Lee Daniel Crocker <>

Anyone who thinks an MD has more of a right to live and work wherever
he wants than does a dishwasher or vegetable picker, or that the latter
hard-working individual is a burden to society, makes me ashamed to
admit that he shares my citizenship. Extropians fight for freedom, and
you, Sir, have no right to use that word.

You make me laugh! How about if someone wants to work for your company,
and you tell them, "I'm sorry, but you need a *graduate degree* to work

Wow, Randy, you are the master of the ill-fitting analogy.

No, I am the master (?) of the *original* analogy. And, in my ever-humble
opinion, you cannot grok them because of their originality.
You have no answer, because you have seen their like :-)

    I shouldn't need to point out that people work in jobs that they want
are suited to.

Ah, no! You CANNOT be serious! People work in the jobs they WANT to work in,
and are suited to? Go to tell it the Burger King girl who graduated from
beauty school, or the Walmart "Associate" with a newly minted Truck Driving
School Diploma....

    USA has many openings for cleaners, fruit pickers, MDs,artists, computer
programmers, etc.,

Yes, and those jobs, and all other benefits accruing to American citizens,
belong to American citizens, just like my car belongs to its joint
owners--me and my wife.

    As for your housing analogy, rental accommodation is roughly equivalent
how immigration currently does work.


Saying that others are brainwashed because they don't subscribe to your
xenophobic beliefs and crying the underdog because your anti-human ideals
inspire disgust doesn't make you right.

No, common sense and studies conducted by well-published Ivy League
economists make me right.

    I shouldn't have called you a jerk

No, you should not have :-)

    because in a twisted kind of way

Oh, baby, you don't know the half of it!

    you see
that as validating your prejudices. But no matter whether I was wrong in
allowing my disgust to be voiced, your views are a big mistake.

You wax ever so....prosaic.

countries that rose to greatness did so as a result of cultural
cross-pollination... and yes, that includes such "worthless" people as
fruit pickers, cleaners, waiters, delivery people, clerks, etc.

Pure trite and maudlin as it comes....a fine grade of
propaganda and hogwash, straight from the typewriter, written by yuppie
hacks, such as my own self. Well, OK, straight from word processing
software--there are no more typewriters.

Miriam, do me a favor: go look up the immigration criteria for your next
door neighbor, New Zealand. Report back at your convenience....

And by the way, what makes you think "great countries" are the best for
their citizens?

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