Re: the waves of immigration that now plague this nation

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Wed Oct 17 2001 - 19:32:35 MDT

Randy Smith wrote:
> >From: "Smigrodzki, Rafal" <SmigrodzkiR@MSX.UPMC.EDU>
> >
> >As an immigrant I represent a clear gain for the American society. I came
> >with excellent education (worth about 300 000$, counting the investment in
> >my childhood, grade school, high school, medical school, postgraduate
> >education, entirely paid by the taxpayers in Poland and Germany), good
> >health, decent work ethic. By competing with local physicians, I and other
> >IMG's (International Medical Graduates) contributed to the reduction in
> >healthcare cost growth rate that occurred in the last few years, while
> >maintaining a consistent standard of quality.
> I have stated many, many times, that I think that ANYONE and EVERYONE with a
> legitimate MD shoukd be able to come here to the USA. In fact, I have
> suggested PAYING them large sums of money to come here. I have suggested
> building medical schools in 3rd worlds so we can get MORE M.D.s here. The
> same thing goes for PhD's or even for *legitimate* students who want to
> study for a PhD here, and already have a *good* degree.
> You are wrong about immigrants in general being a plus for America, or for
> me. You are not the general case. Not only are there many studies showing
> just that, but common *emotionally detached* sense will tell you the same
> thing.

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While Randy is correct that immigrants in general (legal and illegal)
not being a plus for America, LEGAL immigrants regularly show that they
are significant plusses, and those demonizers here should not try to
construe my (or Randy's ) opinions to be blindly anti-foreigner.
Immigration controls, properly written and administered, are significant
contributors to the trust bank which needs to build up for a free
society to function well. They should NOT discriminate blindly against
people by their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, etc., but they
certainly SHOULD have significant merit based filters built in, as well
as controls that help assure the citizenry that those who are being
admitted are contributors and worthy of trust as a citizen.

We are in the situation we are in today specifically because we have
torn down many of the most useful barriers to entry while keeping many
of the most inequitable barriers, and have eliminated ANY means of
keeping track of those let in on a temporary basis.

I am all for unlimited immigration, but only between high trust
societies. We should not automatically treat all foreigners as if they
live in high trust societies. They don't, generally, and 9-11 is
partially the result of such bad judgement (along with a refusal to
trust citizens with all of their rights when on an airliner).

NOTE to Randy: Cut the offensive comments, they make you look worse than
you are.

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