Re: John in Alaska needs some quick translation help from you.

From: Anders Sandberg (
Date: Tue Jan 22 2002 - 07:58:43 MST

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:40:42AM -0900, John Grigg wrote:
> Greetings to Anders(and also the list),
> I had meant to send this to you privately! Oops!! Oh well...
> Now, I REALLY wonder what it says! In fact, I'm sure WE all do! lol

:-) Actually, what brought you to this text? It seems to be part of a
criticism of the current healthcare system. We have almost identical
criticisms here too against the conditions in many holes for elderly and how
slow and inefficient the healthcare system is to help those who need it the

Which (in an attempt to make this thread extropianism relevant) brings up
the interesting issue of what an extropian health care system would involve
and how to bring it about.

Clearly the current systems, both the heavily socialized ones in Sweden and
Norway, and the far less socialized US system, are suboptimal in many ways
both at providing desired care and in the forms of care we as transhumanists
would like to have. It would useful to identify the basic assumptions (like
only supplying 'health', not improvement, and that 'health' is the same for
everybody) made that make them diverge from what we want, and the practical
implementation issues that mess things up (ranging from public choice
effects leading to bloated bureaucracies to organisational structures that
promote an operational rather than humanistic view of patients).

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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