From: hubert mania (humania@t-online.de)
Date: Sat Mar 29 2003 - 05:31:43 MST
Lee,
the arguments between us fail at the point where you seem to have a hard
time to imagine the implications of a new situation (for example the
possible impacts of Patriot Act 2). Your apparent lack of imagination seems
to be the cause that you do not feel any emotional reaction when watching
the war pictures or hearing the news of casualties and war crimes on
*both* sides.
If you cannot understand that I am against the US/UK troops *and* against
Saddam Hussein at the same time you will probably have a hard time to
understand my emotional rage when I see this poor figure who happens to be
your President, this false smile and his phony religious thunder he uses to
recruit new cannon fodder - last night --- afternoon, US time - with the
vets on the stage. That made me wanna puke.
As I have already explained before: the low taste here on the list is
produced by those who cold-bloodedly accept the cruelties any war brings
along and who calculate on the deaths of the soldiers of their own party and
don't even feel sorry for that. THIS is truly low taste and really
disgusting, not my absolutely harmless joke on lubricating the US war
machine with the puke of war protesters. You may find my innocent 4letter
word tasteless, that's fine with me, but what can be more tasteless than
this current war on Iraq?
"Puke puke puke puke - dirty dirty dirty dirty" *jumps like a Monty Python
actor to show his despair and powerlessness*
For future debates: I am just a worthless jester who plays the abstract and
the visceral card with the same intensity. And I am so glad to be able to be
a little unstable from time to time instead of being such a tough guy you
appear to be. The other day you labeled those who are against the war as
*Traitors* now that the war had begun. So please count me in as one. I'd
love to be a traitor if you define it this way.
humania
---- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Corbin" <lcorbin@tsoft.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: First Announcement of the Secretary of PUKE (Explicit words!
Uglier than WAR)
> Hubert writes
>
> > This is the first official announcement of the Secretary
> > of PUKE (Professional Uplifting Killing Experience)
> >
> > Bring your personal throw up to the local PC!
>
> May I ask what is the purpose of bringing the taste of this
> forum to a new low? Have you completely abandoned even the
> pretence of decorum and civility here?
>
> > From today on everybody who feels like he has to
> > puke when watching Fuehrer George Troubleyou Bush
> > addressing the US army,
>
> What makes you think that you have some prerogative to
> play the Hitler-card? Does it never occur to you that
> name calling ought to have no place here? In three
> posts in a row, you have gone way out of your way to
> express your extreme emotional overreactions. I'm
> not at all sure just what to say...
>
> So I'll put out a more general question. How is it that
> a current member of the nation of Germany, who has a
> history on this list of having engaged in a number of
> abstract conversations, is so traumatized by what he's
> seeing or hearing that he's coming to behave as a
> self-anointed "secretary of PUKE"?
>
> Now were he directly involved (say he lived in Iraq, or
> had lost family members in terrorist bombings, or had
> known friends who died at the hands of the armed services
> of the United States), then I might understand. But as it
> is, I simply don't.
>
> So perhaps we should all ask ourselves: Just what would
> have to happen to us to force us off the edge the way it
> has Hubert?
>
> Would one have to work in a Hospital emergency room? Would
> one have to interview rape victims for a living? Would one
> have to suffer the actual deprivations of combat, or, perhaps
> worse, live as a civilian in a combat zone? For the life of
> me, I can't quite see how watching television would ever
> bring me to the crisis that Hubert is evidently experiencing.
>
> Just what manner of international incident, especially
> were my own nation not involved, or descriptions of world
> catastrophes consuming millions of lives would bring this
> out in me?
>
> I know that some here have expressed wishes of pity for him,
> but it's unclear how sincere these were. (For me, I'm not
> really sure that he himself is suffering that much, or even
> absolutely confident that he's as emotionally overwrought to
> the degree it appears.) However, I can advise him to stand
> back from that which may be distressing him so much; perhaps
> for a few days or weeks, and try to regain a little stability.
>
> Also, there might be other lists on which he could vent his
> emotions and coarse metaphors? Eh?
>
> Lee
>
> > or US /UK war criminals
> > killing Iraqi civilians might bring his warmest throw up to his local PC
> > (Puke Container) where the community's collective stomach contents will
be
> > gathered and sent to the White House in Washington, D.C., USA as our
live
> > stream contribution to this glorious crusade of God's own country.
> >
> > Humania
>
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