Re: Can we have a civilization please (DON'T BE FOOLED-TOTALLY ABOUT IRAQ)

From: MaxPlumm@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 29 2003 - 04:32:55 MST

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    Hubert wrote:

    "Brett, I certainly appreciate your moderation attempt. But hey, you know,
    there is a war going on and there are people here on this list who ardently
    defend this criminal action."

    First, let me say that in a rare occurence I am in complete agreement with
    you, Hubert, and that a war is indeed going on. Joking aside, perhaps you
    could point me to the thread in which you specifically point out how it is
    that you feel the US is "criminal" before I comment on that further. It is my
    hope that it is something beyond the fact that the UN or the French have not
    sanctioned it.

    "As long as there are US patriots on this list
    who defend the law of the strongest and willingly accept the deaths of their
    own soldiers and ten times as much Iraqui *casualties* I will choose any
    ways and means to protest against this point of view."

    As you are free to do in part because the US had the same sort of attitudes
    with regard to war with the Nazis. However, this sort of attack on the
    position held by myself and other "US patriots" and "European patriots" and
    "Australian patriots" etc. is not helpful and certainly not the best way to
    change people of opposing viewpoints minds. I could simply oversimplify your
    position and say, "I will badger Hubert until he and his fellow German
    patriots accept a position of leadership and responsibility and no longer
    accept and willingly promote a status quo which leaves in power a brutal
    dictator that kills hundreds of thousands of his own people. And I will
    critcize vehemently Hubert's stance which accepts a state of affairs that
    permits wars of liberation that allows freedom and democracy only for the
    peoples of Germany and not for those of Iraq." However, I do not believe that
    is your position nor is what you describe that of those who support this war.
    All that being said, the war is going on, and Saddam Hussein and his
    murdering thugs are going to be removed. So, does it not please you in any
    sense that he will be gone? Or is it more preferable in your view that he
    remain in power and arbitrarily kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqis
    instead of the US inadvertently killing perhaps several hundred in the short
    term and ultimately saving countless Iraqi lives from his tyranny in the
    future?

    "My resort to a common
    visceral reaction was harmless and even POLITE in contrast to the disgusting
    collateral damage our patriots here are willing to accept. I think I must
    resort to a tougher language pretty soon."

    And our stance is even more polite compared to the disgusting mass and
    arbitrary killings that you willingly accept by supporting the continued
    existence of the Saddam Hussein regime, even one that is disarmed. Pol Pot
    did not need weapons of mass destruction to inflict one of the greatest
    holocausts of all time on the Cambodian people.

    Regards,

    Max Plumm

    "In my opinion, no single European country could guarantee a secure future to
    its people by its own strength."

                                                                       -Konrad
    Adenauer



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