Re: Immigrants (was Re: Mass Media ...)

From: Randy Smith (
Date: Wed Oct 17 2001 - 20:10:00 MDT

    From: "Alex F. Bokov" <>
To: <>
Subject: Re: Immigrants (was Re: Mass Media ...)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:38:59 -0400 (EDT)


On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Randy Smith wrote:

> >you would have been a great help to Santa Anna. YOU MEXICAN COMMUNIST
>Well, well, I have truly struck the motherlode of openminded,
>mold-shattering, cutting edge thinking here on the Extropians list.
>You guys talk about memes and starting new ones, but a very big part of
>I have seen here is mainly just follow-the-leader. Jeez, Alex, not only
>you regurgitating propaganda, but 50 year old propaganda.

=Please. This propoganda I'm regurgitating is severalfold older than a
=mere 50 years. It's the propoganda that inspired the founding of our
=great nation-state, and when all nation states crumble to make way for
=glorious anarchotopia,

How terrifying and wonderful it is to see someone in thrall to a religion!

= this propoganda will continue to inspire just
=as surely as trolls will continue to troll and there will continue to
=be those who feed them.

>I am sad to say that you and many of your list-mates here really don't
>and analyze on your own, but just follow a program. You think as you are
>told, in large part.

=I don't speak for others, but I did analyze what you posted, probably
=more so than it merited. You started with a nonsequitur singling out
=mass media as being responsible for waves of immigration. You followed
=it up with a bizzare metaphor about houses.

New to you is not equal to bizarre.

= Nowhere did you attempt to
=make clear exactly what adverse impact immigration has had on you or
=on the US in general.

No, I did not. There are so many adverse impacts, that I hardly have time
to go into them!

= I am absolutely serious when I accuse you of being a communist. =You
=might think that just because you're a xenophobe,

What is so bad about being a xenophobe? (What was that old science fiction
trope where they ask the evil robot some sort brain teaser, and the poor
thing ponders upon it awhile, in vain, then goes up in smoke....)

= your anticommunist
=credentials are above reproach, but communists can be as xenophobic as
=anybody else. They're just not as up front about their xenophobia as
=you are, and hats off to you on that. Now then, communism is at its
=core a belief that the state can and should control markets for the
=public good (as defined by the state). You, Comrade Randy, believe
=the state should control labor markets through protectionist
=measures. I believe the state should control as few institutions as
=possible, perhaps none at all. Therefore in my frame of reference you
=are a commie traitor and I am hereby referring your case to the
=Committee on Unextropian Activities.


> Oh well, at least this list is *nominally* in favor in >immortality,
although I find it hard to believe that a practical >immortalist would
>spending money on a space program....

=What are you doing for immortality? How will trolling about immigrants
=help acchieve immortality?

How do I start? Actually, I thought I already partially addressed that
earlier in this thread? Well, maybe that was some other thread or forum or
list. But here's one: bad meme importation, for one.

= Hypothetically, if you found out that a
=number of research scientists in fields relevant to your area of
=concernwere naturalized citizens or foreign nationals on work visas, =would
you want them all to leave?

Complete straw man argument. I HAVE already addressed this....

> You may now resume the tribal chatter, etc....

=Ook ook.

>Or maybe you would rather stone me in the village square?

=No way, man, I don't think we can increase your level of stonedness.
= think maybe instead I'll start keeping an eye out for a foreigner
= can convince to marry your sister.

Say, how does my Taiwanese wife fit into your rant?

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