AW: crime in big cities and Europe

From: Karsten Baender (
Date: Wed Jun 21 2000 - 17:37:59 MDT

> Karsten's reference of there being 14,000 gun murders in the US, BTW, is
> innacurate. That is the total number of homicides that are not suicides.
> 6,000 of these, as I recall, are justifiable homicides by policemen,
> with the remainder, with the remainder I think 60/40 split between
> defensive justifiable homicides and criminal homicides. According to
> STATS, there is a net positive benefit to the economy if law abiding
> civilians kill at least 2,000 criminals per year defensively, which
> reaches between $1 billion to 30 billion when that number surpasses
> 3,000 (variance is based on what you call 'costs').

Well, might be, though I'm quite sure to have taken the number shown
"manslaughter". But anyway, let's compare some others:

Violent crimes (murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery
and aggravated assault.

1998 US 1,532,044 equaling 566.4 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants
1998 D 76,079 equaling 93 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants

This means that the total number of violent crimes in the US is six times
greater than in Germany. I took the figures out of the FBI annual reports
( as well as the German BKA ( These
are crimes, not defensive use by law abiding civilians or police.



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