Re: AW: crime in big cities and Europe

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Wed Jun 21 2000 - 20:05:40 MDT

Karsten Baender wrote:
> Well, might be, though I'm quite sure to have taken the number shown
> "manslaughter". But anyway, let's compare some others:
> Violent crimes (murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery
> and aggravated assault.
> 1998 US 1,532,044 equaling 566.4 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants
> 1998 D 76,079 equaling 93 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants
> This means that the total number of violent crimes in the US is six times
> greater than in Germany. I took the figures out of the FBI annual reports
> ( as well as the German BKA ( These
> are crimes, not defensive use by law abiding civilians or police.

Keep in mind that many states that have restrictive gun laws take a very
dim view of people actually defending themselves. As you stated with
some cases in Germany, there are similar cases here, where people
defended themselves in cases that would be quite justifiable in most
other states, but wound up being convicted themselves of murder or
manslaughter, or aggrevated assault. However, overall, that seems about
right. I do wonder though, since you've noted some cases where people
were victimized with nobody paying attension, what is the rate of
reportage? Could there possibly be more crimes in Germany that are not
being reported?

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