Re: would you vote for this man?

From: Robbie Lindauer (robblin@thetip.org)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2003 - 19:42:32 MDT

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    >> Were we FORCED to go to war?
    > Yes

    I guess I'm interested in knowing the meaning of "forced" you have in
    mind here. I know time is short, what's the 30-second version?

    >> It's not like I'm asking you to analyze the structure of human freedom
    >> in its cultural dimension across temporal and sociological borders or
    >> something.

    I guess maybe I AM asking you to analyze the structure of human
    freedom. I realize time is short - if you want me to chase down some
    isms - determinism, objectivism, etc., I'm perfectly happy and capable.
      Hopefully it's possible to explain how we were "forced" without
    dragging down some really big heavy books.

    > You'll agree it's quite difficult to do so when subjects like this
    > come up,
    > won't you?

    Definitely, but here we are, doing it! Yeah!!!!
    You haven't called me stupid and I haven't called you stupid yet.
    We're doing pretty good!

    >> Perfection is valueless without moral perfection. I would say, the
    >> only worthwhile augmentation pursuit would be the moral one and that
    >> it
    >> OUGHT to have longevity-producing and human-improving side effects.
    >
    > Now in this we're in perfect agreement. How we'd go about defining
    > morality
    > to be perfected, aye, there's the rub.

    Great, it sounds like we have a lot of common places to start. And it
    even sounds like it's an extropian issue. The question can be a
    hypothetical one if you prefer it:

    Would a risk-averse morally-ideal-machine-person have a pre-emptive war
    strategy, would they be pure pragmatists, would they be peaceniks?

    In modern GenX terms, what would Brian Boytano do?

    Best,

    Robbie



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