RE: Radical Suggestions

From: Jeff Davis (jrd1415@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Jul 26 2003 - 21:44:50 MDT

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    --- "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com> wrote:

    > I believe that I subscribe to an "extropic" moral
    > code ...

    Robert, I consider you a person of good faith, so I'm
    ready to accept that this exi-code is probably a good
    thing. I just don't understand the details, and, at
    first glance, the sacrifice of 10^8 real in-the-flesh
    folks now, for a gazillion could-be folks later,
    doesn't move me towards a favorable view.

    > I was looking at the distinction between a one time
    > cost of 10^8 human lives vs. 10^14 human lives *per
    > second*.

    > Few, if any, individuals seem to have picked up on
    > the magnitude of the problem I was raising.

    I get the size thing, Robert--a one time cost of 100
    million vs. 100 trillion every second for the rest of
    the age of the universe. Mucho big difference
    numerically, absolutely. I'm willing to give you
    that.

    My problem is that 10^8 x 1 = 10^8, but 10^14 x (the
    number of seconds remaining in the life of the
    universe) x ***ZERO*** = ZERO. To me, a potential
    life, a never-would-have-been-born-otherwise life gets
    a coefficient of actuality--and corresponding
    coefficient of value--of zero. Once you're born and
    living, you *count*. Woulda-coulda-shoulda been alive
    is nothing, zero, a fantasy. This in turn means that
    you're proposing killing ten million for (what seems
    to others to be) nothing.

    Consequently, it's up to you to show that it isn't
    nothing, and that it rises to a level justifying the
    shocking violence you ask us to consider. I'm ready
    to give you a fair hearing. Everything you've written
    before tells me you're not some homicidal wacko.
    Nevertheless, I think you have your work cut out for
    you.

    Best, Jeff Davis

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who
    said it--no matter if I have said it--unless it agrees
    with your own reason and your common sense."
                             Buddha

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