Re: extropians-digest V8 #200

From: Aubrey de Grey (ag24@gen.cam.ac.uk)
Date: Mon Jul 21 2003 - 08:23:06 MDT

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    Brett Paatsch wrote:

    > In the Epilogue p345 hardcover at bottom.

    Thanks.

    > "Leonard Hayflick and a number of other prominent gerontologists
    > have become so annoyed by the claims of life-extention enthusiasts
    > that they recently prepared a manifesto. The document - written by
    > Hayflick, S. Jay Olshansky, and Bruce Carnes and signed by a
    > number of scientific luminaries, including Robert N. Butler, Steven
    > Austad, Tom Kirkwood, George Martin, Carol Greider, and Andrew
    > Weil

    That's the right document, but the endorsers did not include Austad.
    They were:

    Robert Arking, Allen Bailey, Andrzej Bartke, Vladislav V. Bezrukov,
    Jacob Brody, Robert N. Butler, Alvaro Macieira-Coelho, L. Stephen
    Coles, David Danon, Aubrey D.N.J. de Grey, Lloyd Demetrius, Astrid
    Fletcher, James F. Fries, David Gershon, Roger Gosden, Carol W.
    Greider, S. Mitchell Harman, David Harrison, Christopher Heward, Henry
    R. Hirsch, Robin Holliday, Thomas E. Johnson, Tom Kirkwood, Leo S.
    Luckinbill, George M. Martin, Alec A. Morley, Charles Nam, Sang Chul
    Park, Linda Partridge, Graham Pawelec, Thomas T. Perls, Suresh Rattan,
    Robert Ricklefs, Ladislas (Leslie) Robert, Richard G. Rogers, Henry
    Rothschild, Douglas L. Schmucker, Jerry W. Shay, Monika Skalicky, Len
    Smith, Raj Sohal, Richard L. Sprott, Andrus Viidik, Jan Vijg, Eugenia
    Wang, Andrew Weil, Georg Wick and Woodring Wright.

    > - flatly asserts that dramatic increases in life span are unlikely.

    This is true, and nearly stopped me signing the document, but it was a
    relatively isolated statement in an article mainly focused on what we
    can do today, so I let it go. The first draft I saw said "a virtual
    impossibility ", so I reckoned we'd met half way.....

    > "The prospects of immortality," the scientists state, "is no more
    > likely today than it ever has been, and it has no place in a scientific
    > discourse."

    This is a blatantly misleading quote, because the above statement appears
    entirely separately from the discussion of life extension and refers very
    explicitly to infinite lifespans rather than indefinite ones.

    Aubrey de Grey



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