Re: flame wars

From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Thu Jul 17 2003 - 17:03:34 MDT

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    On Wednesday 16 July 2003 22:03, Paul Grant wrote:
    > -----Original Message-----

    >
    > >On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:26:37AM -0400, Harvey Newstrom wrote:
    > >The list has a lot of software types, and surely the professional
    >
    > programmers must be having a severe case of Custer Syndrome: "Where are
    > all these frigging Indians coming from?"
    >
    > I wish :) I was let go and haven't even been able to get an interview
    > for a software position :)
    >

    What surprises me is that more people don't question the economic theory and
    practice that produced the current pattern of > 1 million trained software
    people being out of work and without much of a prospect in the US. Since
    in fact we are short of all levels of software skill or believed we were a
    few years ago, the loss of this many workers is a tragedy to extropic dreams
    on more than a personal and humanitarian scale. We have a
    monetary/financial crisis but we act as if it is only a small fluctuation in
    demand/need. It is not. The need did not change. The financial resources
    to operate changed a lot. Demand and finances are not as well and cleanly
    connected as some might like to imagine.

    > >Dynamic and practical optimism has been more difficult in the last
    >
    > couple years, has it not?
    >
    > I don't necessarily agree; I'm optimistic insofar as I think that
    > eventually I'll
    > be able to extricate myself out of the current mess... and certes, it
    > doesn't
    > really effect my ability to read and contemplate current and "future"
    > technologies/paradigms in that the cost (at worst) is TV and other
    > mindless activities....
    >

    I hope not too much of that. :-) Really, the one major resource you have
    right now is time. Please use it as wisely as you can.

    > I do have to say though, as a person who is extremely dedicated
    > to pursuing his own ideas out to their logical conclusion, resources,
    > *particularly* people resources, are next to impossible to come by
    > [barring government/univ funding (where they get copyright/patent),
    > or being fabulously independently wealthy]. Plus, to do anything
    > significant, certain skills [which require a serious amount of effort
    > and time to pickup] are currently beyond my ken. Currently :) But
    > I do remain optimistic, that given enough time on this planet [- sudden
    > death or illness], I'll hit my critical point in a couple of years :)
    >
    > More than anything else though, its the lack of a skilled [and
    > dedicated]
    > labor supply (read: architects rather than technicians). Unfortunately,
    > I have yet to actually find a good (reliable) source for such [people]
    > material.
    >

    You need good technicians in greater abundance than architects. But the
    architects are certainly crucial.

    - samantha



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