Re: flame wars

From: Kevin Freels (megaquark@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 16 2003 - 17:33:44 MDT

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    Um. Well said!
    Although I try not to, I have to admit that I have a tendency to get a bit
    upset when my ideas are challenged. I usually don't voice that emotion on
    the list, but it is there and I can see how some people who have been here a
    while would feel the need to.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Brendan Coffey" <bmc@section9.net>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:57 PM
    Subject: flame wars

    > The perspective of an infrequent poster:
    >
    > My reading of extropians has definitely fallen off seriously in the past
    > six months. The bickering and sniping represents a large percentage of
    > the volume of the list. It becomes tedious to have to slog through it to
    > figure out which discussions have content, and where that content is.
    > I've gotten a very good sense of which list members lie where on
    > the content-generation distribution, and I've killfiled a half-dozen
    > people--I've found that it's made the list much more readable. But I
    > do consider unsubscribing pretty frequently.
    >
    > It's a shame--the list is so full of bright, ambitious people with
    > interesting and compelling visions of humanity's future, both near
    > and far. But, as with every other online discussion forum I've ever
    > participated in, the more intelligent and ambitious we get, the more
    > childish, self-important and myopic we become when we feel our hard-won
    > and excruciatingly-thought-out paradigms being queried or challenged.
    >
    > One thing that frequently strikes me about the list is the degree of
    > arrogant certainty with which the list members state predictions of
    > the future. Frankly, if anyone here could predict the future (or, hell,
    > even the present) with any degree of precision, they wouldn't have time
    > to sit around posting to this list, because they'd be spending every
    > waking moment _heavily_ involved in some other, extremely important works.
    >
    > So, yeah, it's a serious problem, and I think you'd see a lot less
    > attrition if it weren't.
    >
    > -bmc
    >
    > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:26:37AM -0400, Harvey Newstrom wrote:
    > > Spike wrote,
    > > > In June we had the quietest time I recall having
    > > > seen on extropians in over 6 years. (Did anyone
    > > > count the messages?) Could it be that the
    > > > spam filters were killing a lot of the posts?
    > > > Perhaps I need to look over the archives. spike
    > >
    > > Heh. You have a strange sense of humor.
    > >
    > > Seriously, I don't think the list has yet recovered from the latest
    > > flame-war and series of personal attacks that caused ExI to start
    > > moderating again. I would love to blame low list activity on spammers,
    > > but we did it to ourselves. It seems that this problem gets worse every
    > > round. I would not be surprised if we were losing members faster than
    > > we were gaining them at this point. Sigh....
    > >
    > > --
    > > Harvey Newstrom, CISM, CISSP, IAM, IBMCP, GSEC
    > > Certified InfoSec Manager, Certified IS Security Pro, NSA-certified
    > > InfoSec Assessor, IBM-certified Security Consultant, SANS-cert GSEC
    > > <HarveyNewstrom.com> <Newstaff.com>
    > >
    >



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