Gurus vs. Guns, was RE: Guns vs. Tyranny

From: Michael M. Butler (mmb@spies.com)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 04:38:42 MDT

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    On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:10:11 -0700, Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com>
    wrote:

    > On Wednesday 28 May 2003 12:27 pm, Michael M. Butler wrote:
    >> On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:30:48 -0400, Michael Wiik
    >> <mwiik@messagenet.com>
    >>
    >> wrote:
    >> > I would appreciate examples of an armed populace successfully
    >> > revolting against an oppressive government. Of course, one
    >> > example is right here in the USA. I know there are examples of a
    >> > government disarming the populace before instituting oppressive
    >> > measures, but this is not the same thing.
    >>
    >> Depends on what you mean. According to Mohandas Gandhi, armed
    >> revolt was a possibility he kept firmly in mind. That he wound up
    >> emphasizing nonviolence doesn't mean it wasn't also on the
    >> Viceroy's mind.
    >
    > He said that non-violence was for the really strong and was the superior
    > method but that it was better for those less strong to take up arms than
    > to simply acquiesce to that which is wrong.
    >
    > - samantha

    http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/wwvlansu.html
    has the quote as:
    "I would prefer to see India defend her honor by armed force than to see
    her stand like a coward, watching her defeat without an attempt to defend
    herself. But I still believe just as strongly that nonviolence is
    infinitely superior to violence."

    He maintained with great force of will that Satyagraha would work; and, as
    it happened, it did. Had it not worked, there were still armed-force
    alternatives. I think he remained mindful of that to some degree or other;
    perhaps "firmly" was the wrong adverb. Mea culpa.

    I also want to point out, in response to the original poser, that the
    Indian populace was armed--with an idea. And other arms were available as
    an additional resort. Call that amphigory if you want to.

    -- 
    I am not here to have an argument. I am here as part of a civilization. 
    Sometimes I forget.
    


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