RE: Cryonics and uploading as leaps of faith? (was Re: Uploaded Omniscience)

From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Fri Jun 27 2003 - 05:30:02 MDT

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    Randall Randall wrote,
    > Unfortunately, most debates about this get bogged down in differences
    > between definitions of "same" and similar words and phrases, without
    > the debaters seeming to be aware of that. I was just trying to head
    > off another iteration of "extropians talking past each other". :)

    I have been saying this for a couple of years now. The whole upload/copy
    question is a matter of semantics. People don't disagree on the facts of
    the operation. They disagree on terms and labels. Do we call the two
    results the "same" or "different"? In many ways they are the same. In many
    ways they are different. It depends on the definition of same and
    different. People can't seem to understand this. They believe that only
    their definitions are right and that only their conclusions are right. What
    they don't see is that both sides are correct. Having a dictionary with
    multiple meanings for each word, we find that the results are different(1)
    from each other, while they are not different(2) from each other. There is
    no contradiction or compromise is this conclusion. People end up arguing
    for their definitions and labels. They do not end up talking about
    objective reality or even theoretical reality. As you say, they are talking
    past each other. 

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