Re: META: Dishonest debate (was "cluster bombs")

From: Spudboy100@aol.com
Date: Sat Jun 14 2003 - 19:51:13 MDT

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    Harvey Newstrom asked:
    <<On a personal note:  You probably think I am anti-George because of my
    frequent liberal-leaning rants.  I am not sure that I have ever felt the
    need to oppose bin-Laden in this group.  It never seemed to come up or be
    disputed among us.  Do you therefore believe I am a bin-Laden supporter?
    Isn't that what your logic demands?  Is that really what you think?  Do you
    really think that conclusion is accurate and supportable based on evidence?
    I really am not following your logic here.>>

    One can either limit discussion to technical forecasts of the future, chat
    about the Singularity, or discuss the world as it is. If you wish to limit
    discussion to technical progress, I am fine with that; hence my daily sends of
    articles I find on the web, in order to enhance technical discussions.

    If you wish to enter the fray of world politics, where people unto this very
    hour, get hurt and killed. Thus, there is then the notion that whom you
    support or oppose, or are indifferent to constitutes who you are. You may disagree
    with this concept, and, of course, on a mailing list, you can absolutely ignore
    it. But in the real world, it will make a difference in how people view you
    or I, as unfair as that seems.

    For example, if your are indifferent on Bin Laden, or a supporter, or
    sympathize with his cause, that will make a difference on how I view your attitude on
    other matters. Furthermore, anyone who was neutral on Osama, or favorable
    towards his kith and kin, are people who, by definition, are mine enemy.

    A lot of this has to do with what Dr. Martin Luther King called "a raising of
    consciousness." If one is indifferent, frequently it isn't awareness, its
    mere disinterest.



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