Re: PHYSICS: our increasingly strange universe

From: Spudboy100@aol.com
Date: Thu May 22 2003 - 06:14:32 MDT

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    Emlyn stated:
    <<In my more pessimistic moments I always feel that this universe is worth
    being angry about.>>

    The human condition is worth being angry about, if only to motivate us to
    change it.

    <<Look at the fate of those who went before us; ignominious, really.
    Implicitly, we assume that we wont share that fate, but that's not at all
    certain.>>

    What do ya mean "we" ? :-D

    <<The very fact that we have scarcity is crazy. Why isn't our environment
    directly manipulable; eg: why is there matter? Humans are having to go to
    absolutely extreme lengths to make matter behave like software (not there
    yet), when it could have been that way from the beginning.>>

    It could also have been harder, I suppose. You are comparing the real world
    against the happy world of scifi.

    <<Existence just seems so bloody banal.>>

    Wait! Banal is good. Banal can mean security and freedom. Banal is boring,
    maybe, but don't trade it in for an exciting life in the Central African
    Republic.

    <<It's a bad hollywood script that originating from what was once someone's
    good idea; you can still sense the spark of brilliance in there somewhere,
    but the implementation of reality seems hopelessly unimaginative and shitty.
    It's been thought up by the kinds of people that think we'll have traffic
    jams of flying cars in extreme urban future cities. Stupid.>>

    Look, almost any schmuck can dream up fantasy futures, or fantasy pasts like
    in LOTR. Putting one's imagination in a compelling plot line with good
    characters is quite another. Inventing or innovating a new product, a new
    technology is quite another. The image that what engineers and scientists do
    comes easy, is the most fictional aspect of all. Its all sizzle and no steak,
    because the nature of the universe is that complex technical achivements
    frequently require tremendous work and huge amounts of time. Time is the key,
    and what is most irritating, isn't it?

    <<Not to say that these aren't interesting times, and that we can't add a few
    layers of implementation to create a much more satisfactory virtual universe
    running in the real one. But standing back, it really does look like we are
    making the best of an appalling job.
    Emlyn>>

    Technology is opportunistic; or as Lenin said: "Probe with a bayonet. If you
    find steel, withdraw, if you find mush, dig in!" The bayonet of technology
    has found mush in the field of computers, computer electronics, telcom,
    computer photonics, software design. Future areas or runner-ups seem to be
    biology, medicine, biotechnology, bioengineering, tissue engineering, and the
    like. I am not sure where nanotech, MEM's, molecular technology are heading.
    Materials science seems quite active, and energy and space transportation now
    seems to be a distant 4th, 5th, or 6th.

    The Zen of this list should be: Grumpiness awakens, when the sojourner
    realizes that the sci-fi novels, cinema, and futurist documentaries are found
    to be too optimistic, too soon!

    Mitch



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