RE: BIAS: CNN commits fraud, rewrites history, WAS: RE: "liberal media"

From: gts (gts_2000@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon May 19 2003 - 09:30:16 MDT

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    Mike Lorrey wrote:

    > --- gts <gts_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> I did some more checking on this subject of "fraud." I'm sure Mike
    >> will correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Wayne LaPierre of the
    >> NRA has no basis for accusing CNN of misrepresenting the case against
    >> so-called assault weapons unless he can show that the CNN reporter
    >> John Zarrella used more powerful ammunition in the banned
    >> semi-automatic assault weapons than he did in the non-automatic
    >> weapons during his comparison of the two classes of weapons in the
    >> original controversial broadcast.
    >
    > You are wrong. Zarella used different TARGETS in his
    > demonstration, made of different materials, which respond
    > differently to the same ballistic energy.

    Yes, well, that's basically the same idea as using different ammo -- the
    charge is that CNN did not make a fair comparison of the kinds of damage the
    two classes of guns can do. However I thought they used a bulletproof vest
    in both tests.

    > THis is the crux of the fraud. There are plenty of rifles
    > which can carry just as much ammo firing the exact same type
    > of ammo which are not on the banned list, and which are
    > semiautomatic just as those on the list.

    Hmm. However that is not necessarily fraud on CNN's part. It could merely be
    an artifact of poorly written legislation; it looks like the '94 ban did not
    cover all the rifles that the authors would have intended (in fact I'd guess
    the original legislation was diluted by politicians responding to pressure
    from the NRA).

     
    > This was
    > also part of the fraud. Zarella implied that the banned
    > rifles were automatic, i.e. machine guns. There was not a
    > single machine gun on the list, and in fact, you can still
    > buy machine guns legally in most states in the US.

    "Implied" is a pretty tough thing to prove in court if it's the basis of a
    fraud allegation. Neither you nor LaPierre actually believe that CNN stated
    that the banned weapons are machine guns, so there isn't much point in
    accusing CNN of saying something it didn't say.

    > Being 'banned' is purely a matter of cosmetics.

    Being banned is also a matter of having larger magazines and having
    semi-automatic firing capacity relative to *some* other weapons (though if
    what you're telling me is true, not relative to *all* other weapons). I
    agree that the cosmetics issues are absurd but those are not the only
    issues. If they extend the ban then I would expect them to also increase the
    list of banned semi-automatic weapons to include those other weapons that
    skirted past the '94 ban.

    Note that I am not taking sides here. In fact in general I'm on your side.
    I'm just trying to get the facts straight.

    > I think you are backwards here. The ban ends in 04, not 94,
    > and the NRA is not at all upset that the ban is ending

    Yes, I wrote that confusing paragraph very late at night and then tried to
    correct it in another post. Obviously the NRA does not want the ban
    extended. The NRA is upset because the GOP might nevertheless extend the ban
    because the White House has stated that Bush is in favor of extending it and
    might cave into pressure to do so.

    > Machine guns have NOT been banned since 1934. I own one

    Somehow it doesn't surprise me to learn that you own a machine gun. :)
    However fully automatic weapons do require a special permit, yes?

    -gts



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