From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun May 04 2003 - 21:33:13 MDT
--- Brett Paatsch <paatschb@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Mike Lorrey writes:
> > We have long thought that the UN operated much like our own
> > government. We have learned now that that is not the case.
>
> > Nor would we, at this time, accept a world government that was
> > structured more like our own, specifically because it is structured
> > in a winner-takes-all way, with the only protections being the
> > courts, the supermajority protection of constitutional rights, and
> > the ability of minority legislators to filibuster. We wouldn't
> trust it
> > specifically because the majority of the people in the world do
> > not live in free nations under trustable governments.
>
> This seems to me like you want democracy when it suits you
> but not when it doesn't. Thats not an unreasonable thing to *want*,
> indeed its probably human nature, and what many of us want much
> of the time, but its not a likely thing to happen.
>
> Your signature quote "Live free or die, death is not the worst of
> evils" is probably a maxim that would find a lot of sympathy amongst
> those who attacked America on September 11. Can the human
> sentiment behind that cycle be broken by force in your view or is
> it something fundamental and resilient?
The US was once a nation where half the states were 'untrustable' in
that they legalized slavery. In order to rectify this situation, we had
a civil war that cost 300,000 lives and maimed millions.
If the US were to admit other nations as 'states' into our union, they
would have to entirely rewrite their 'state' constitutions (assuming
they had one to start with) else we would be faced with fighting a
worldwide civil war again some time in the future.
Were we to automatically admit more countries to the union that had
more population than we currently have, their 'low trust' psychologies
would win out by dilution. The situation is already bad enough here
with our high rate of immigration.
>
> Seems to me that if one plans to permanently cut out huge sections
> of the human population from "the good life" AND lets then see that
> one is doing it, one had better be prepared for permanent war.
>
> If there is no choice then perhaps the best one can do is face the
> facts and resolve to be a good fighter until one grows weary or
> old or needs to sleep. But there is little peace in that.
No, there will always be wars so long as men are capable of evil, and
men unwilling to be ruled by evil.
=====
Mike Lorrey
"Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
- Gen. John Stark
"Pacifists are Objectively Pro-Fascist." - George Orwell
"Treason doth never Prosper. What is the Reason?
For if it Prosper, none Dare call it Treason..." - Ovid
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