Re: my objection to the Doomsday argument

From: Damien Broderick (damienb@unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Tue Apr 29 2003 - 02:22:39 MDT

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    At 02:17 AM 4/29/03 -0500, you wrote:

    >> The argument is utterly flawed. There is no such thing as a
    >> human picked at random from all those that will ever be in all
    >> time when the choosing is done *at a particular point in time*.

    >It's a lot more subtle than that: There's nothing at all wrong
    >with picking a sample from items spread out in time, even into
    >the future. ...
    >mathematically useful ways. The problem is (1) picking from an
    >presumably bounded, but unspecified, range (from big bang to some
    >unspecified point in the future), and (2) using that as a premise
    >for arguing about what that future bound is.

    Off to top of my head (I've read Leslie's book, but a long time ago), it
    strikes me that the way the analysis is done might depend on your choice of
    metric (if that's what I mean). Rather than supposing that we here&now are
    a random sample of the simple numerical count of all intelligent hominids
    who will ever live, maybe we could apply the same mediocratic logic to
    *which generation* we represent. In that case, human generations might be
    expected to persist for at least another 60,000 years--say, 2000
    generations, with us in the middle. Of course once you start to change the
    meaning of `human' and the length of `generation', that might be even more
    hopeful.

    Damien Broderick



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