Re: Experiences with Atkins diet

From: Erik Sayle (lists@thecri.org)
Date: Mon Apr 28 2003 - 13:10:23 MDT

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    > >> Who thinks that we should "choose something nutritionally sound, like
    > >> a cheeseburger with a slice of tomato and lettuce leaf"? Vegetarians
    > >> and health faddists would avoid the meat. Atkins dieters would avoid
    > >> the bread. Paleo dieters would avoid the cheese. I am really
    > >> curious. Which diet actually promotes cheeseburgers as
    > >> "nutritionally sound"? -- Harvey Newstrom, CISSP, IAM, GSEC, IBMCP

    Don't quote me on this, but i think Dr. Bob Arnots guidelines (I think he
    provides that, rather than a "diet") would allow it, provided that with the
    Cheeseburger you ate beans or veggies rather than fries. The beans would
    provide protein & fiber and soak up the cheeseburger nastiness, letting it
    all take longer to get through ya. Cheesburger + fries = evil!

    I think the whole point of diets is to be able to eat a cheeseburger
    *occasionally* so that you do not have to live in some bizarre starvation
    world. I make my own cheeseburgers sometimes and they are tastyy and pretty
    healthy. Cheeseburgers really vary in nastiness factor, some are ~400
    calories and sorta low in fat and others 800 calories and lots of fat. I
    rarely eat fast food though, because they are soooooo bad in so many ways,
    it is hard to even find any real food at them, everything is 45% fat and
    carbs, it is almost incomprehensible. Ironicaly, I find that i can now go to
    McD's and buy their little dollar burgers when I am in a hurry and need
    something fast, $1 + tax gets a nice little burger, I feel like I am getting
    over on them and their $5.00 meals. I do not know how people can get a meal
    deal, I would pass out afterwards.

    While I am shit talking here, it is difficult to eat well in America these
    days, I go to 7/11's or gas station mini marts to get a munchie and they got
    candy and carbs. Even those energy bars are often a scam, costing $2.00 and
    having high carbos for a runner! They often have some nuts, which are pretty
    tasty and good for ya, depending, and sandwhiches/sushi/burritos, which
    while not perfect, are as close as I can find to real food. Bizarre how it
    goes, I and many other people should pay with their pocketbook for good
    food, but somehow it does not work that way.

    My own belief is that deli sandwiches are near the perfect diet. A sandwich
    has all the food groups, lots of protein (depending on who makes it and what
    ya order), meat, dairy, carbs, lettuce, tomato, etc. I often buy a big
    sandwich on a french roll for lunch, eat half, and eat the other half for
    dinner. For me, volume is important, the portions are too big almost
    everywhere! We get too good a deal here in America. Cook up some vegetables
    at home or get some with the sandwich and I got a pretty good meal. Most
    importanly, sandwiches taste great and are satisfying. Support your local
    deli, not your local fast food!

    Erik Sayle



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