RE: Arab World Stunned by Baghdad's Fall

From: matus (matus@snet.net)
Date: Fri Apr 11 2003 - 03:28:53 MDT

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    Samantha Atkins wrote:

    > matus wrote:
    >> > Arab World Stunned by Baghdad's Fall
    >> > Full article -
    >> >
    >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20030410/ap_onlcor
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    >> ar_arabs&e=2
    >>
    >> "Across the Middle East, people struggled to reconcile images of
    celebrating
    >> Iraqis with widely held suspicions about the United States' motives."
    >>
    >> Indeed, I am sure some members of this list are stuggling to put a
    negative
    >> spin on this event as well.

    >Our motives were not to free the Iraqis. At one time I believe
    >you admitted as much at least indirectly. You have seemed to
    >believe the motive was WMD. We found none. So do the Iraqis
    >dancing in the street say that our motives were other than what
    >they were or that the war was justified? I don't think so.

    If I did not admit as much, I would freely do so now. At no point in time
    did I believe that freeing the Iraqi people was the US sole or primary
    motivation. Frankly I dont care. You seem really hung up on what the
    motivation is, try judging on actions instead of motivations. We can never
    really truly know what is motivating Bush anyway, or anyone for that matter,
    so all we can really judge people on are actions, NOT motivations. But
    whether bush tossed some chicken bones or weighed the options in depth with
    advisors, the point is we are there and the Iraqi people are / will be free.
    Cant you at least rejoice in the fact that 20 million people who were
    previously living under the horrific oppression of a murderous tyrant are
    now (or soon will be) free?

    And yes, I believe a primary motivation was WMD, and the fact that a
    despotic west hating racist tyrant hadem and wanted more and wanted to use
    them. When you say "We found none" I can only laugh. As others have
    pointed out how silly this statment is, I wont simply repeat them. I will
    repeat something I said to you a while back on this very same point, we all
    ready have found WMD, in the 1994 inspections. Thousands upon thousands of
    warheads, growth media, delivery systems, etc. etc. etc. I believe your
    response to that was 'where did you hear that from' to which I (and I
    believe Mike Lorrey) noted it came from Hans Blixs speech. A significant
    majority of these weapon systems and delivery systems were not accounted for
    in that novel Saddam produced, which meant he still had them. I hope from
    now on you will cease to say comments alluding to our lack of ability to
    find WMD, when we all ready found them nearly ten years ago. We are
    attempting to figure out what happened to them now. This is why Saddam's
    'cooperation' was completely absurd, he could have simply put everything out
    in a parking lot and said 'here it is'. Yet the media kept parroting the
    whole 'we have yet to find any WMD' line, which as I have tried to make
    clear, is a gross mis-representation, they should have been saying 'We still
    dont know what happened to the missing WMD' Had they been found in the
    first place, the war may have been averted entirely.

    Michael Dickey



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