Re: POLITICS [&WAR]: Neo-Conservative policies and power

From: cryofan@mylinuxisp.com
Date: Thu Apr 10 2003 - 07:21:13 MDT

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    Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com> said:

    > Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
    > >>(Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com>):
    > >>
    > >>I don't see how it is remotely possible to create a world of
    > >>both freedom and fairly full access to technology - which I
    > >>believe requires greatly increasing the stake and buy-in and
    > >>perception of benefit by most of the worlds people - by
    > >>attacking them...
    > >
    > >
    > > This is why we have a hard time taking many of you arguments
    > > seriously, Samantha: while you are quick to make the distinction
    > > between the American people and its government, you then totally
    > > ignore that very distinction by implying that we are somehow
    > > attacking the world's people instead of their governments.
    >
    >
    > I was not aware that only governments die when we bomb a country
    > or in the chaos after the military action is more or less done.
    > I am not aware that we have a good record of late of being
    > sure to clean up the mess after and leave the people with more
    > real freedom and access to modern technology. Perhaps you know
    > something that I do not here.
    >
    > >
    > > Governments--all governments, ours included--are an enemy of
    > > the Extropian future. Our government may or may not be justified
    > > in waging war on some other government, but continuing to claim
    > > or imply that that we are attacking the people under them is
    > > dishonest and detracts from reasoned discourse.
    > >
    >
    > I very much disagree. People die in these conflicts and usually
    > not the politicians running the governments. If government is
    > itself unextropian how can there be any justification for an
    > unjustiable institution waging war on another unjustifiable
    > institution and robbing us and other people of lives and
    > valuable resources that could otherwise be more extropically
    > applied?
    >
    > If my culture comes into your country and blows hell out of your
    > infrastructure and perhaps kills some of your loved ones are you
    > going to be particularly inclined to absorb my cultural values
    > or even give them a fair hearing?
    >

    This is why we need to reverse the international agreements/laws concerning
    assassinations of leaders.

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