From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Mar 31 2003 - 22:01:52 MST
--- gts <gts_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Lorrey wrote:
>
> > --- gts <gts_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> But that is exactly what FOX does! It's billed as neutral when it
> is
> >> not. "News without the spin," they say.
> >
> > Untrue.
>
> No, not untrue at all. FOX probably promotes itself as unbiased at
> least
> once an hour. Have you ever spent a couple of days watching the
> channel?
Yes. I generally have been watching it for war coverage only because it
is not filled with al Jazeera-like anti-American propaganda of varying
hues and levels of subtlety as is seen on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and
elsewhere. I will fault all news channels for not presenting any
detailed representations of battle maneuvers, even after they occured.
All you ever see is a basic map of Iraq as a whole with stupid icons of
red and blue tanks, troops, planes, etc. On international and muslim
stations, all they show is US prisoners in Iraqi hands, alleged Iraqi
civilian victims of alleged US attacks, and Saddams "Mother of all
battles" type rhetoric about how badly the US is losing the war, the US
is retreating all the way to Bagdad...
I have yet to see any station besides FOX even attempt to discuss what
is an is not a war crime and what the Geneva Conventions say, for
instance.
>
> I'm not saying that FOX makes a secret of its intentionally
> right-winged biased editorials, but in general the network offers
> almost nothing from the "other side."
On the contrary, OReilly, who you hate, ALWAYS has the opposition on
for every issue debated. He simply doesn't tolerate horse-shit being
presented as fact. Like Joe Dees, late of this list, some individuals,
mostly liberals, can't function unless they are lying through their
teeth, and refuse to appear, claiming he is as you say.
>
> Colmes (Hannity's supposed liberal nemesis) is anunphotogenic,
> uncharismatic wimp who can barely articulate a clear sentence. He's
> there just to serve as a placeholder and a punching bag.
> Colmes is FOX's "token liberal."
Colmes makes me think of Skeletor, the evil Masters of the Universe
baddie. Both hosts have guests on from both sides of issues, and
depending on who the guest is, they take turns pillorying them with
tough questions. Hey, real journalism ISN'T Larry King Live (a CNN
program). Real journalism isn't "The View". It isn't doing EVERY story
your program ever does on gun control come from a pro-control
viewpoint. It isn't producing a story which is so slanted that even
some liberals admit it (Morley Safer's 60 minutes piece on ballistic
fingerprinting)
>
> CNN on the other hand offers some serious liberal opponents to debate
> reasonable conservative guys like Tucker Carlson. I happen to really
> like Tucker Carlson. And I also enjoy watching Carlson debate serious
> liberals who know how to present an argument on "Crossfire". Such
> quality events never happen on FOX.
If Max More's experience on Crossfire is representative of that show
(and it is) you are entirely wrong. I will say that of pundit shows,
Crossfire is the only one outside FOX that actually tries to present
both sides in a balanced way. Most other networks will present a
liberal as a "Professor" or "noted expert", while presenting the
conservative as merely a member of some PAC or advocacy group, or else
they try to find the most extreme and un-presentable wingnut.
I highly recommend Goldberg's book "Bias" to those who think it isn't
as bad in the rest of media.
>
> Regarding Neil Cavuto's scathing ad hominem attack on the professor
> at FOX:
>
> > I'll note here that you don't seem to be quoting anything the
> > professor said in his letter to Cavuto. Such is evidence of bias.
>
> Excuse me, Mike, but neither did Cavuto. I don't have any such
> information about the professor's supposed letter.
Then you should have watched the show as it was originally broadcast. I
did, and Cavuto did, in fact, read the letter on the show.
It ain't ad hominem if the best way to describe someone and their
opinions would seem insulting if applied to a moderate individual. Some
people just are as bad as they are described. Just like "it ain't
bragging if you really done it."
I am sure that if you called Satan the most vile evil creature in
existence (assuming you believed in its existence), some idiot would
claim you were making an ad hominem attack...
=====
Mike Lorrey
"Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
- Gen. John Stark
"Pacifists are Objectively Pro-Fascist." - George Orwell
"Treason doth never Prosper. What is the Reason?
For if it Prosper, none Dare call it Treason..." - Ovid
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