From: matus (matus@snet.net)
Date: Sun Mar 30 2003 - 11:58:34 MST
Mania said
> But what I fear is that this war might be the first step towards
> a new world
> order where the law of the strongest, i. e. USA reigns.
Ah, so the truth finally comes out! The sole reason mania opposes this war
is because the US is too big and strong! God forbid a free, democractic
constitutional republic be the worlds strongest power!! As MaxPlumm has
repeatedly pointed out, no country has done more than the US to spread
democracy throughout the world, yet Mania sees such a country as the worlds
strongest as a bad thing!
I would invite Mania, and others, to consider a world where either one of
these countries were the strongest in the world
Saddam Hussains IRAQ
Kim Jong Il's North Korea
Mao Ze Dong's China
> I will not stop shouting, I am against THIS war. You are deadly wrong and
> you should hear it again every day!
>
Well the more you shout the more likely we are to listen to you, correct?
As I said in my post, unless you address the reasons why those who support
the war support it, you will not disuade anyone. It seems your primary
motivation for opposing this war *anyway* is that you merely dont want the
US to be strong. Instead of Might makes right, its now might makes wrong!
And I should further point out, that at least for Robert Bradbury and I, you
are deadly wrong, and your opinions may lead to the end of the human race.
Samantha said:
> >>As Robert Bradbury pointed out, leaving Saddam in power will cause more
> >>deaths of Iraqi people then taking him out of power. He asked anyone
> >>to present a reasonable challenge to that notion, and received no
> >>responses as of yet.
> >
>
> I didn't reply because I don't believe the general case or
> especially this specific case can be reduced to such simple
> equations. If it a few less people die due to one course over
> the other immediately but set into motion a series of
> repurcussions that lead to many more deaths this clearly would
> not be a win. But there is no way to easily quantify these
> fuller costs. Those the equation is not of much value to me at
> this time.
>
Samantha, as I just pointed out to Mania, to at least Robert and I, *your*
opinions could lead to the end of all human life on earth. Perhaps with
this perspective of ours you will understand why we (and perhaps other
supporters of this war) do not find your arguments in the least bit
compelling.
> I am not in the least "clueless" about this. Unfortunately for
> your argument it has nothing to with our current actions in
> Iraq. Do you believe with Mr. Bush that they "want us dead" just
> because they are E-V-I-L and we are so filled with Light and all
> that is Good?
Aha! I say... Here I get the feeling the ultimate objection that Samantha
(and possibly Mania have) is that to acknowledge this war is just is to
acknowledge that there is *actually* a country out there that is indeed
worse than the United States.
Michael Dickey
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