Re: Nature of Ideology (was RE: More enthusiasm than news in Fox's coverage of war)

From: Damien Sullivan (phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu)
Date: Sat Mar 29 2003 - 19:29:41 MST

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    On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:47:23PM -0800, Lee Corbin wrote:

    > Why is it that liberals are for the most part unable to admit
    > that the old major network coverage, ABC, NBC, and CBS, have
    > a liberal bias? Why does some CBS insider like Bernard Goldberg

    It's because they completely disagree that mainstream media has a liberal
    bias. Coverage of Clinton and Gore, coverage (or lack) of the WTO and
    globalization issues... they don't see liberal bias. They see corporate bias.
    They don't watch TV and think "ah! these people are saying what I'm
    thinking!"

    Or that's my guess, extrapolating from complaints about the New York Times. I
    don't get my news from TV.

    > concerning something like this? I have two theories. One
    > is that they so deeply question the legitimacy of conservative
    > views that by fiat all such views are "right wing extremist"
    > and hence negligible, no matter how often people like Reagan
    > or the Bushes are elected to high office. This seems just

    Do Reagan and the bushes acknowledge the legitimacy of liberal views? Bush
    the Younger who seems to be on a personal crusade, or Bush the elder who said
    atheists couldn't be good American citizens?

    > My other theory is that the left has inherited a tradition,
    > or aspects of a tradition, that goes all the way back to Lenin.
    > In revolutionary Russia, Lenin and his followers labeled
    > themselves the Bolsheviks, or "Majority". It was a conscious

    Lenin is not part of the memetic history of most US liberals. Really, he's
    not. This may be hard to accept if you're someone like Dehede who likes to
    slather "socialist" all around, but it's true. There may be some common roots
    between Lenis and social democracy, going back to the first people outraged at
    the condition of the poor in the 19th century, but that's it. This
    "Bolshevik" connection is a fantasy.

    > Ever since, many on the left appear to believe that they possess
    > a special dispensation from God or someone to have pre-eminence
    > in political matters. The most glaring example is the advent

    And the right doesn't have this? Everyone likes to think they're really in
    the majority, not to mention really in the right. I'd say the religious right
    does think it has a dispensation from God, pretty literally speaking. Ten
    Commandments in the courthouse, anti-sodomy law in Texas...

    I'm once again amazed at how allegedly libertarian Extropians band together
    behind a secretive President who's been attacking civil liberties right and
    left and is allied with evangelicals who look forward to the 2nd coming and
    the end of the world.

    > Vladimir Lenin! That they could embrace such a fantastical
    > notion that their views were nearly by definition *correct*
    > only bespeaks the degree to which this special dispensation
    > is and was entertained by them.

    That you think any such belief in correctness is primarily limited to the left
    seems fantastical in itself. And from what I've seen of recent history,
    American liberals have been almost hobbled by their own doubt, vs. the
    coherent self-righteousness on the right.

    Not that there aren't those full of conviction on the left. But I don't think
    'liberal' and 'left' are wholly synonomous, just as 'conservative' and 'right'
    aren't either... isolationist and small-government conservatives have little
    to do with the neocons dreaming of Pax Americana.

    > I have always been eager to find any examples of non-symmetry
    > between opposing ideologies, because on most counts, e.g.,
    > intelligence, morality, education, acquaintance with the facts,
    > "common sense", etc., the sides are of course quite equally
    > balanced.

    There's the geographical non-symmetry. The left/liberals clusters along the
    west and northeast coasts, with bastions in big cities and college towns all
    around; the right/conservatives seem to cluster in the South and Great Plain,
    and rural areas all around, except maybe New England, I don't know.

    -xx- Damien X-)



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