From: Amara Graps (amara@amara.com)
Date: Mon Mar 24 2003 - 11:00:30 MST
matus
>This further supports Mike's statements, no amount of intelligence and
>perserverence from guerilla tactic anarchists can defeat a massive statist
>invasion with advanced weaponry and overwhelming firepower.
Mike was making a statement against words that I never said, putting
words in my mouth (which makes me more than a little angry). I did
not see any attempt by him or you or others to look at what Dan and
I pointed links to regarding the definition of anarchocapitalism. I
only saw some bizarre references by Mike to who he thinks are
'anarchists'. The Afghan comment was really the one that got me
upset, though, apologies to the list that I responded to his
baiting.
If I wanted to get to my point about how noncentralized political
structures are more conducive to humans growth in the future off
this planet (which was really my original intention, but some people
here, who seem to be stuck on war, sidetracked me), then I lost
interest. If anyone is wondering why more enlightened topics not
often-enough make into broad discussion on extropians, then here is
one reason why. For me, it takes too much energy to talk about that
here, fighting against narrow-minded views and I see little interest
with these people to look into it further and study the sources.
My personality doesn't relish fighting in general, and my hands
don't have the typing ability, and it is not worth my time in general.
I see too many knee-jerk responses here. The answer is to set up
kill-files, but I have the same psychological blocks with using
kill-files as those discussed by Emlyn.
The title of the message is of course, referring to what the Afghan
people called the invasion of the Soviets in 1979. How many millions
disappeared? Nobody knows. By the crudest estimates, some 10 million
Afghans by 1986 no longer existed and a generation of Afghans mostly
gone (dead, in prisons, in refugee camps, escaped to the west). The
largest population of refugees in the 1980s were the Afghan
population. The world was very silent during this time.
Please read some history and please talk to some Afghan refugees
from that time. There is no better source than the people who were
actually there.
After you do that, then, please read some eyewitness accounts such
as Lessing's book.
A history note:
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The Afghans fought
them with little help, surprisingly successively for a large
part of that war. Please look to Soviet sources or talk to Russians
for how difficult of a time the Soviets were having.
The U.S weapons to the Afghan fighters were not until some
7 or 8 years later. We all know how that turned out, don't we?
Oh yes, it's lovely to have two superpowers using an innocent
people for their political goals.
to save my typing fingers
"Creating new states (Chechnya and some similarities to
Afghanistan, Baltics)"
http://www.lucifer.com/exi-lists/extropians.1Q00/0603.html
I will stop responding to and reading this thread, now.
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