Re: [WAR] Exponential difference in power

From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Mar 24 2003 - 06:03:40 MST

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    --- spike66 <spike66@attbi.com> wrote:
    > Technotranscendence wrote:
    > > On Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:33 PM spike66 spike66@attbi.com wrote:
    > >
    > >>...Altho you see a lot of
    > >>humvees on the road these days, we found that in
    > >>general military equipment is not highly adaptable
    > >>for civilian use.
    > >
    > >...what about GPS? I know, it's only one example...
    > >
    > > Dan
    >
    > Certainly there are shining exceptions like GPS, and
    > I suppose we could also argue that the internet of
    > which we are so fond was initially conceived as a
    > means of communications in the event of a nuclear
    > war, in which case it is kinda like an adaption of
    > mil-tech. Aircraft technology has always been pushed
    > forward by military needs, along with vertical take-off
    > and landing. Eventually commercial forces became the
    > driver, but computers were initially developed to meet
    > the needs of the war fighters. The interstate highway
    > system was built to move war machines from coast to
    > coast.

    I have to differ from the claim that 'not much military hardware has
    civilian applications'. I can think of no infantry rifle ammunition
    which has not found a civilian application once it has been released to
    the public, and furthermore, virtually ANYTHING that the infantryman
    uses (outside of things like hand grenades) has applications in
    camping, hunting, and other outdoors activities. The infantryman is
    sorta the ultimate outdoorsman: parachuting, rock climbing, scuba
    diving, camouflaging, tracking, orienteering, survival, etc. Todays
    outdoorsman on a budget usually finds he can save lots of money and
    gain some useful stuff by buying at the military surplus store instead
    of EMS, REI, LL Beans, or other yuppie name brands.

    Even grenades and mortar rounds have found utility in clearing
    avalanches along mountain highways and at ski areas.

    Many major medical advances first appeared in military hospitals, and
    funded by military research dollars. Virtually all we know about head
    and body trauma comes from military research. Penicillin became mass
    produced for military use in WWII. The appearance of superglue for
    sealing skin wounds first appeared in military triage units. Military
    dollars currently pay for much research into artificial blood and
    cryoprotectants (if you can cool or freeze a wounded soldier at an over
    capacity military hospital, you can handle the flow of wounded cases
    over a longer period with less staff) and this will find use not only
    in cryonic suspension, but in disaster and emergency management.

    Then lets go to the other extreme: Titan ICBMs were adapted to
    launching satellites and probes, from the Gemini capsules to the
    Voyager probes to current day launches of the Cassini and Galileo
    probes, communications and weather satellites, etc. Even the actual
    nuclear missiles that sat for many years in silos have been recycled to
    use in space launches.

    Ihave no doubt that other newer ICBMs can be similarly recycled. For
    example, the Conestoga rocket's first two stages are Minuteman engines.

    Jet engines were developed specifically for military use, yet found
    civilian applications. Stealth materials have found use in the auto
    markets for drivers who want to avoid traffic tickets. Submarines are
    used in many civilian applications from scientific research to tourism
    to luxury yachting (http://www.ussubmarines.com). Sonar has found use
    in underwater archaeology (Titanic) and treasure hunting (The Atocha),
    as well as recovery of recently wrecked vessels and planes (recall the
    hunt for TWA800, as well as JFK Jr's plane). Underwater listening moved
    from military use to scientific in listening for whalesongs and
    tracking marine mammals and other sea life. Armored units are
    frequently used in riot control and bank transfers. Cryptography.
    Business jets. Semiconductors. The list goes on to future applications:
    high energy lasers, developed for Strategic Defense, can find use
    propelling interplanetary and interstellar spacecraft.

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    Mike Lorrey
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