RE: Europe and assimilation

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 22:55:52 MST

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    The cryofan writes

    > someone said:
    >
    > > >Well, the immigrants, of course. Isn't it a good deal for everyone?

    It wasn't just someone. It was me.

    > Maybe, maybe not.
    > ...
    > I am not sure if the immigration policies put forth by the media (via "think
    > tank" studies funded by low-cost-labor loving corporate lobbies) are correct
    > or incorrect, but when I see the amount of propaganda being spewed and the
    > demonization rites being performed upon immigration naysayers, I get very
    > nervous.

    I think that you are right. This is a phenomenon.

    > And then there is the cultural issue, and also issues of what possible
    > attributes may be associated with a race that may immigrate. I am not
    > sure whether these issues are significant, but when there is so much
    > money available to cram these policies down the throats of the citizens
    > of western cultures, I get very suspicious.

    Why do you think that there is more money, or going to be more
    money, that is pro-immigration than anti-immigration?

    > It would see to me that a country and its present situation is at least in
    > some aspect a product of the people and culture that constitutes its
    > citizenry. Deriving that conclusion should not be rocket science.

    True.

    > The well being of the citizens of a country is not dependent solely
    > on the depth of its topsoil or the number of its oil wells. It seems
    > to me that the culture of the people is a major factor in its well-
    > being. And large amounts of immigration from country A to country B
    > would seem to make country B's culture more like country A's culture.

    Yes, but it may also make the actual immigrants more like
    country B's inhabitants than country A's inhabitants,
    especially over time. The factor here is called assimilation.
    Take France, for example. No body gets away in France, I
    suspect, speaking anything but French. I think that newcomers'
    tendency to become Frenchmen is greater than newcomers' tendency
    to become Americans, for example.

    > There are many other aspects of race that are not even being brought
    > into the public debate. Is anyone here aware of the frictions and
    > effects caused by different races in public schools? It is huge!

    I keep getting signs about this, but the media downplays or
    ignores it whenever possible. This is identical to your
    first point. The question is whether this is a transient
    cost or not.

    From the Middle-East all the way through the furthest
    reaches of the western hemisphere (moving westward),
    the inevitable tendency appears to be the rise of a
    pigmentocracy (pronounced "pig-men-toc-ra-sy"). It
    means lighter skinned minorities exerting dominating
    economic and political influence over darker skinned
    majorities. I do not think any western country
    immune.

    Lee



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