From: Artillo5@cs.com
Date: Tue Mar 11 2003 - 15:16:52 MST
In a message dated 03/11/2003 2:17:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dehede011@aol.com writes:
<< In a message dated 3/11/2003 12:32:08 PM Central Standard Time,
Artillo5@cs.com writes: What *I* want to see is an international poll to see
what percentage of people in the world think that if the international
community fails to act firmly now against the UNITED STATES, then the world
will become a more dangerous place in years to come?
Arti,
None of that matters. What counts is that the US is the one that has
been shot at, hit, lost citizenry/visitors, and is being aimed at again.
That you wish to knock off the US, aren't concerned with American loss of
life and don't like us anyway means nothing.
Have a good day,
Ron h.
>>
Ron,
Up until now I have refrained from responding on any of your commentary thus
far, but I think this one takes the cake and is deserving of a reply.Your
obvious lack of reading comprehension skills and penchant for putting words
in people's mouths makes you sound like more of a buffoon than ever before.
Point #1: I think that the opinion of the world's human beings matters very
much. Unfortunately, there will never be a completely honest representation
of people's opinions in any poll for obvious reasons.
Point #2: Nowhere in my post did I EVER state that I "wish[ed] to knock off
the US" as you seem to think I did. I think I stated my intentions rather
plainly in the original post. Read more carefully next time.
Point #3: I am not only concerned with the loss of American lives, but the
lives of EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. If war can be averted at any
cost then THAT is the road we need to take for HUMANITY'S sake. We need to
stop slaughtering eachother over bullshit ideological, religious, or
otherwise dogmatic reasons.
Point #4: I think you have the misconception that I am not an American
Citizen. The only kinds of people I dislike are ignorant, close-minded, and
blindly patriotic, but... this is America and everyone is entitled to their
opinion as long as it's not forced down our throats. Would I be better off as
a citizen of another country? I surely don't know.
Ron, why exactly are you still on this list? It seems to me that much of the
rhetoric I have seen you spouting off recently seems to have very little with
core Extropian values and a lot to do with you being pissed off at the way
the world is today. YES I agree with you, the world is a pretty messed up
place, YES there are lots and lots of bad people out there, and YES there are
many forms of injustice out there, however, I do NOT agree with ANY
government who decides to KILL to support their own brand of dogma, INCLUDING
the United States. I also am very disconcerted about the direction the
current US administration and it's agents are taking this country are taking
in regards to our civil liberties. I don't think I have to lecture you on the
importance of rational arguments on these issues and the rights of the people
to petition the government for a redress of grievances if they have a problem
with the way things are going. I hope that those of us who truly care about
these and other rights make their voices heard loud and clear before those
same rights are taken away from us by policies that are bordering on Fascism.
If you don't like it when someone like me wants to try to get a balanced view
of the issues by attmpting to obtain information from sources outside of
their general sphere of resources, then I suggest you stop reading any more
emails and simply rely on CBS news or wherever you go to shop for your daily
dose of yellow journalism. Of course, you are more than welcome to
participate in a Flame War with me, but it will be a rather futile exercise
(you can't have a war with only one side fighting!), so I would encourage you
to maintain your dignity and stop before you start.
With all due respect,
Artillo
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