RE: Rulers and Famine in Poor Countries (was Obesity)

From: Adrian Tymes (wingcat@pacbell.net)
Date: Fri Mar 07 2003 - 11:41:07 MST

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    --- Lee Corbin <lcorbin@tsoft.com> wrote:
    > But the corruption part---that's what's still
    > unbelievable.
    > I mean, didn't the hard-nosed politicians from their
    > home
    > countries tell them what was going to happen?

    Rules of memetics: if a meme is being promoted by a
    faction one sees as The Enemy, one is likely to
    invent or adapt memes whose primary purpose is to
    counter those, in service to the meta-meme, "We Are
    Not The Enemy" - which necessarily implies existence
    of and some definition for The Enemy. In this case,
    quite a number of the people involved were doing this
    to spite said hard-nosed politicians, completely
    ignoring their wisdom.

    > I'm now starting to wonder if the culture is the
    > worst
    > part of the problem.

    It is, for certain definitions of "culture". Of
    course, that can be viewed as a circular argument,
    because one can just define "culture" to include
    whatever happens to be the worst part of the problem.
    But this does apply to certain parts of the definition
    that many take for granted - like "anti-Western",
    which often means pro-corruption (or at least pro- the
    practices which encourage corruption, like valuing the
    way things have been done in the past as intrinsically
    more important than the way most people today wish to
    do things, whether or not corruption is the intended
    end result) among other things.

    > In the
    > countries of
    > southeast Asia, and also throughout Latin America, a
    > tiny
    > percent of people form cliques that totally dominate
    > their
    > economies---ethnically dominant minorities. In
    > Southeast
    > Asia, it's the Chinese, and they're resented
    > everywhere.
    > In Latin America, it's the people with white skins
    > that
    > run not only the economies, but have all the
    > political
    > power as well. What I would dearly love to know:
    > have
    > these economically dominant minorities written the
    > laws
    > in such a way as to help keep them in control, i.e.,
    > to
    > deny equal protection?

    In the worst cases, yes. In other cases, they don't
    have to (or care to) write it into law, so long as
    what's enforced has the same effect. For example, in
    China, technically just anyone can run for certain
    offices, but in practice, anyone too far from the
    party line will run into difficulty getting official
    support (for instance, not being able to get on the
    government-published ballot if you're too critical of
    the government). I claim this is a slightly better
    case since government officials whose hearts change on
    the matter can do the right thing, without having to
    go through the formality of having the law changed
    (which can be difficult, even perilous, if the
    lawmakers' hearts still remain set against change).



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