RE: Rulers and Famine in Poor Countries (was Obesity)

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Fri Mar 07 2003 - 01:06:15 MST

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    Spike writes

    > Lee Corbin wrote:
    > > [Adrian wrote
    > > > in the areas where famine happens, governments (in
    > > > effect, if not always in fact) seize the food that was
    > > > going to the poor and sell it for their own profit.]
    > >
    > > In retrospect, it seems incredible that we could not
    > > see that this was very likely going to be the result.
    >
    > Lee, the result was foreseen, the action was
    > intentional. Those who minister to those in need
    > perpetuate their existence by keeping people in need.

    Well, I have read accounts of AID (Aid to Developing
    Countries), the IMF, and World Bank, and so far have
    not seen any evidence that they realized that they
    were hurting the nations that they intended to help.
    Especially at mid-century, they were under the spell
    of Sovietism, and really believed that they needed to
    go into all these countries and win the hearts of the
    people to keep them from going Communist.

    They thought that land-reform (read expropriation and
    destruction of property rights), and lots of money
    (read confiscation by corrupt rulers into Swiss bank
    accounts), and tons of free food (read further destruction
    of the existing economy), all would really help. They
    simply didn't understand, and I guess practically NO ONE
    did back then.

    But the corruption part---that's what's still unbelievable.
    I mean, didn't the hard-nosed politicians from their home
    countries tell them what was going to happen?

    > > But the pressing question is still, what *can* be
    > > done in cases of famine? Are we to just turn our
    > > backs? (Unless you invade, what other option is there?)
    >
    > The answer is harsh, but no more so than the actions
    > that have already been taken in the name of charity.
    > The technically advanced must have the courage to
    > declare that all cultures are not truly equal, that
    > some cultures really are better than others, and that
    > technology really does make for longer, healthier,
    > happier, better lives.

    I'm now starting to wonder if the culture is the worst
    part of the problem. For example, until this week I
    believed that the Protestant Work ethic was something
    real, but studies have shown that when equality before
    the law and private property is guaranteed, there is no
    difference between Catholics and Protestants at all.
    (True: I still recall accounts that Protestants today
    in Latin America are thriving---so I don't have the full
    story on this, it appears.)

    > Nonviolent memetic warfare is called for.

    Yes. All that I know of that can be done is to remove
    the blinders from everyone's eyes about collectivism and
    corruption, and to cheer on Hernando De Soto and his allies.

    > Are we morally obligated to respect other's
    > cultures, religions and customs? I argue that we are
    > not, that ideas want to be free. Ideas will make their
    > way into closed cultures, and those cultures will
    > be turned upside down. We cannot stop that, we do not
    > want to stop that. The old ways will be overturned.
    > No one can lock up any sizable piece of real estate
    > on this planet for any one religion or custom. No
    > one can stop a radio wave. No one can stop capitalism.

    True. But so many problems remain. In the countries of
    southeast Asia, and also throughout Latin America, a tiny
    percent of people form cliques that totally dominate their
    economies---ethnically dominant minorities. In Southeast
    Asia, it's the Chinese, and they're resented everywhere.
    In Latin America, it's the people with white skins that
    run not only the economies, but have all the political
    power as well. What I would dearly love to know: have
    these economically dominant minorities written the laws
    in such a way as to help keep them in control, i.e., to
    deny equal protection?

    Lee



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