From: Ian Reilly (ianreilly@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Mar 05 2003 - 11:35:11 MST
- GET RID
> of BUSH
> & FUKU KASS GO WITH HIM
>
> It seems there has been a subtle swing in the list away from supporting
Bush's war.
Being opposed to Bush's bioethics panel does not connote an anti-war
opinion, troll.
YOU made this connection, troglodite. Ahh flame instead of intelligence, can
you get on a Jerry Springer Show? Are you capable of controlling your
primordial instincts and engaging in reasonable debate? At the bottom of it,
we agree on many fundamental issues.
> People are starting to realize that war abroad means
> economic and liberty deprivation at home.
Mike: Incorrect. One prominent American Muslim recently wrote in an op-ed
piece, "I would rather live under Bush and Ashcroft at their worst than in
any of the petty tyrannies of the muslim world at their best."
Absolutely agreed - but A. this is (obviously) a non-sequitur argument and
also illogical - A. ILLOGICAL: My Assertion: Bush admin reduces liberty
relative to other possible admins in US - Your rebuttal: Bush is better than
Caesar, Pinochet, Sadaam, etc. ad infinitum and that therefore my assertion
is wrong - logical failure - doesn't follow. Isn't this clear? B. AGREED!
Here is def. preferred to living under any of the 3rd world fascist gov'ts
we support, have supported (the Shah, Sadaam, Pinochet, Somoza, etc.) DOES
THIS MEAN WE SHOULD GIVE UP OUR LIBERTIES IN THIS COUNTRY?
B.
> The moves against ANY cloning are also good wake-up calls. If
> Ashcroft & Bush have their way,
Mike: Actually, any individual going to Gitmo must first be a non-American,
Ascroft wants the right to strip Americans of their citizenship by executive
action.
and secondly belong to an organization that is actively engaging in
terrorism.
Defined HOW & BY WHO? Who defines & what constitutes "belong to" Who defines
how tenuous the "relationship" can be? Why shouldn't the US court system be
used to make these determinations? The Ashcroft bill is not open to abuse,
it is DESIGNED for abuse.
Mike: Any international cloning treaty will only apply to signatory nations.
Bush: "you're with us or against us"
Me: Countries cave in diplomatically for MANY reasons.
Founding an independent nation is really the ONLY real solution to the
threat from luddites of all persuations (not just those of the right).
MIKE - this assertion sounds like it was made by a "terrorist" - can you see
this? I agree with you, but you are talking either succession or taking over
a foreign country -
ASSERTION: the religious right in this country is a tremendous threat to
scientific liberty & inquiry - do you agree? ASSERTION: the religious right
has a great deal of power over the current admin, court appointees, etc.
DOES IT NOT FOLLOW that the current admin is a great threat to scientific
inquiry & liberty?.
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