From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Fri Jan 24 2003 - 10:54:13 MST
MaxPlumm@aol.com wrote:
> Samantha wrote:
> > "I gave no rant. I told you off for claiming I was just mouthing empty
> > slogans as if I had no real thought (several posts accused
> > all who think like I of this) or didn't really have any investment
> but was
> > just passing on something I presumably picked up by osmosis."
>
> To which Michael responded:
>
> > Such as your opinions on Vietnam?
> >
> > "Once again you now bob and weave"
> >
> > Pot calling the kettle black? You should hardly be one to accuse
> someone of
> > 'bobbing and weaving' considering multilpe people on this list have
> > repeatedly asked you to justify your stance on Vietnam, especially
> when you
> > make clear statement about opposing murderous regimes (such as Hitler) in
> > WWII yet find the same attempt to oppose an even more murderous regime
> > 'senseless' when considering Vietnam.
>
>
> "Vietnam is a much less clearcut case. I have neither the time
> nor inclination to debate Vietnam when a much more pressing and
> immediate senseless war is staring us in the face. That is not
> "bobbing and weaving". It is recognizing priorities and
> meaningless tactics that it is pointless to spend precious time
> playing to."
>
>
> These are hardly meaningless tactics, when you suggest that we have a
> "more pressing and immediate senseless war" staring us in the face. You
> are thereby suggesting that the Vietnam War was senseless, and are
> attempting to tie in the fact that action in Iraq would be an equal
> mistake.
I don't have time for this. More senseless than war X does not
make a firm claim how senseless war X was. I believe it was
pretty damn senseless but I don't have time, energy or
inclination to debate that when we are about to do something
REALLY stupid. Can I make it any more clear without people
wasting their fine minds picking at every sentence?
If you want something productive to do then show precisely how
this war is a really, really good thing and that nothing very
bad will come from it. Personally I haven't heard that really
done by anyone. Without that the charge of it being "senseless"
and a Bad Idea (tm) stands. The burden of proof is on those who
advocate this mess.
- samantha
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