From: Gary Miller (garymiller@starband.net)
Date: Thu Jan 23 2003 - 06:32:44 MST
John K Clark said:
>> That would be great if it worked but Kahdafi is still alive.
Once he was forced to pay the personal price of losing a loved one
(his child). His behavior completely changed at least as
far as his sponsoring of terrorism went.
>> One of Saddam's many doubles might be there but the real thing
>> would be nuts to go anywhere near one of his palaces or a bomb
>> shelter. During the 91 gulf war he spent a lot of time riding
>> around Baghdad in ordinary looking taxies, at night he'd pick
>> a house at random, kick the owners out and sleep there.
That's one reason why the attack should be a surprise just as the one
On Libya was. Also even if he was not killed personally he would pay
a price. His palaces, family, pets, personal possessions and the symbol
of his power would all be gone. How long do you think Sadam would want
to live in one of his normal citizen's houses?
> If a weapon of mass destruction is used by him, we document it for
> the world, and wait some more
>> Wait until he uses another one?
Sadly yes, remember his weapons are not that accurate plus we have
antimissile
Technology to defend as well.
>> Well, I'm glad I'm not a soldier and you my commander in chief.
That may be true. But I wouldn't ask our boys enter Bagdad and fight
house
to house nor would I bomb the city and it's people back into the stone
age
creating an entirely new generation of terrorists.
>When this happens the world will see that we were right and the
>level of restraint we have used to this point.
>> It seems like a very high price to pay for good PR.
This is not just good PR? What we are trying to prevent is the creation
of a
whole new generation of terrorists fueled by anti-american propaganda.
Unless
leaders are forced to pay a personal price, their behavior will not
change. All
The bombing we did in the last war, we didn't impact Sadam's life-style
whatsoever! His people suffered while he went back to his wives, his
children and
his luxorurious life-style! Had his palace and family been destroyed
and he was forced
to start over he might have been too busy to be concerned about
rearming!
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Subject: Re: War arguments
"Gary Miller" <garymiller@starband.net> Wrote:
> What would happen if we made Sadam pay personally like we did
Kahdafi?
That would be great if it worked but Kahdafi is still alive.
>Then just bomb the presidential palaces with our precision guided
>bombs. And use one of the Deep penetrating bombs where we know
> his bomb shelters lie.
One of Saddam's many doubles might be there but the real thing would be
nuts to go anywhere near one of his palaces or a bomb shelter. During
the 91 gulf war he spent a lot of time riding around Baghdad in ordinary
looking taxies, at night he'd pick a house at random, kick the owners
out and sleep there.
> If a weapon of mass destruction is used by him, we document it for
> the world, and wait some more
Wait until he uses another one?
> until a significant number of Coalition
> lives are lost to these weapons.
Well, I'm glad I'm not a soldier and you my commander in chief.
>When this happens the world will see that we were right and the
>level of restraint we have used to this point.
It seems like a very high price to pay for good PR.
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